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Loeffler told VADA to test Canelo
VADA cancelled the test.
Pretty clear what he said. VADA has been informing Golovkin in advance that he will be tested.
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VADA scheduled a test for Golovkin and informed Loeffler about it.
Loeffler told VADA to test Canelo
VADA cancelled the test.
Pretty clear what he said. VADA has been informing Golovkin in advance that he will be tested. -
All that we know is that they did so on this one particular occasion... that isn't in line with what is specified in the CPB / year round / out of competition testing but there may be a system of scheduling windows for in competition testing (ie they may say something like we're gonna test sometime in the first 4 weeks of camp, twice in the second month and once as a follow up sometime during the week after a the fight). Point is I simply don't know - I've been digging around a bit to try to find out but information is kind of thin on the ground.
Are you trying to suggest you seriously believe here that there was some kind of secret agreement between Loeffler and VADA to provide him with advance information? It's possible I suppose, but the responsibility of such a failure would lie squarely with VADA.... if we're going down that path we can essentially choose ignore any and all information provided by them, which leaves us no closer to any answers. Corruption never particularly surprises me, but that hypothesis strikes me as a bit of an outlier.
EDIT: OK I think I might have an answer of sorts - seems like if a fighter is leaving the program following a fight (and GGG now appears to be no longer under VADA testing) they only have to keep VADA informed of their whereabouts for 48 hours post fight under the whereabouts policy. What may have happened is that a post fight test was agreed to but since it wasn't taking place within the 48 hour window they would have needed to inform Loeffler and GGG in advance to check his availability. It's a little speculative but holds up a bit better than 'Loeffler inadvertantly ****ed up his means of cheating in future fights in a fit of pique'.Last edited by Citizen Koba; 11-19-2018, 05:42 PM.Comment
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It's puzzling for sure and isn't helped by the opacity of VADA testing protocols, but I think I may have found an answer of sorts which I've outlined in my post above. It ain't really satisfactory to me, but it's the best I've been able to come up without more information.Last edited by Citizen Koba; 11-19-2018, 05:42 PM.Comment
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Maybe the Vada tester got the S H I T S pr something and couldn't make it.
I'm a fan of GGG but this guy Loefler has been opening his mouth way too much lately
Let it go, get your guy another big fight and move on from Canelo for now.Comment
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IDK. That sounds like a lot of twists and turns. Why wouldn't they do the testing immediately after the fight or within that 48 hour window? So technically GGG didn't complete the program because he didn't take a post fight test right? They haven't sent out a tweet congratulating him for successfully completing the program and they usually do that about 2 weeks after a fight is finished. And calling him to tell him there's a random test isn't the same as calling and telling him they need GGG's whereabouts.Comment
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Nah, it's not really satisfactory to me either, but I can't come up with anything better right now... and I'm not thinking Barretts theory about some kind of conspiracy between Loeffler and VADA sounds that likely either.
There's is a certain amount of sense in urine testing a few days after the fight, of course, especially if there hasn't been an immediate post fight IV blood test. Metabolytes or unmetabolised chemicals taken during or immediately prior to the fight may take that long to be excreted... but you would have thought that a post fight IV would be the prefered method... perhaps the teams had insisted on both given the controversy surrounding Canelos failed tests earlier in the year? Maybe that's why it was 'scheduled' even the though the actual time and day the test was to be carried out was random? Dunno - just throwing ideas out.
My guess is the answer lies somewhere in the testing protocols that would have been signed for the fight (as opposed to the 365 testing which is supposed to be strictly random). My understanding is that the 'in competition' testing protocols are based on a standard template (though can potentially be modified per fight) but for the life of me I've been unable to find even a sample or more than snippets of detail on what the T&Cs might be.
Probably worthwhile Tweeting Loeffler to see if he can clarify a bit. Or maybe VADA - but they ain't responded to one or two e-mails I've sent 'em in the past.Last edited by Citizen Koba; 11-19-2018, 07:15 PM.Comment
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Because the test can be random doesn't mean every test has to be unannounced. The test could have been scheduled for the next morning for all we know and they wanted Golovkin to be available. It's irrelevant because it was canceled for some reason. During training its not hard to know the whereabouts of a boxer. He will be at the gym. After a fight he could be anywhere so I can see them scheduling a test.Comment
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