My Wilder vs Fury prediction

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  • ashadam
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    #11
    Wilder TKO cant see anything else, Wilder to strong for Fury.

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      #12
      Wilder has next to zero chance when looking at the flaws of each . That's the best way to determining the winner and who is more capable of exploiting them. Giving a punchers chance is all good but is that really the way we breakdown a fight by chance ?

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        #13
        Originally posted by ashadam
        Wilder TKO cant see anything else, Wilder to strong for Fury.
        Too small for fury. A good bigun will beat good little un. But the long layoff might help wilder just enough to snatch victoey.Time will tell

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          #14
          Originally posted by earl-hickey
          General thoughts

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          Prior to Fury vs Klitschko I was one of about 3 people who actually rated Fury, I had a blog post on here in which I wrote about him which appears to have been lost.

          Let me say I did not expect him to win vs Klitschko, but I did feel he would win several rounds before ultimately getting caught, and put up a good effort.

          Since that fight however, I feel the opinion on him has done a total 180, and i'm not 100% sure it's warranted. I feel he had a style which was all wrong for Klitschko, and caught him off guard, and i'm still not sure who would have won the immediate rematch, as Klitschko surely would have let his hands go.

          As for Wilder, it's no secret I don't rate him, I will give him credit that his right hand power is truly elite level, and he has impressive athleticism and good stamina. However his textbook boxing leaves a LOT to be desired. Defensively he is open, he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes, and he's in love with his own power.


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          It's actually a straightforward pick for me, Wilder by KO and I think it comes in the first half of the fight.

          Even a PRIME Fury would have his hands full with Wilder.

          See the thing is Wilder is no stranger to being outboxed, and in this fight it's actually to his credit. He will not be at all surprised when Fury starts the fight by out-jabbing him, everyone does!

          The problem is, Wilder is a risk taker, he throws that right hand from crazy angles and only needs to land it one time.

          When i see footage of Fury sparring and training it's glaringly obvious to me that his footwork is nowhere near the same as it was pre lay-off.

          Against Pianeta and in training, fury trudges around the ring for the most part, this means Wilder will likely have better distance control in this fight.

          I see Wilder throwing caution to the wind after 3-4 rounds and just coming forward going for it, and I think Fury will be lucky to last 3 rounds at that point.



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          I give Fury zero chance of winning a 12 round UD using clean boxing, I don't think his timing, footwork or head movement will be good enough over the 12 round distance.

          What Fury needs to do is pull an Ali-Frazier 2

          Wilder is always very light but against a taller man for the first time with a significant weight advantage that COULD cost him if Fury uses it correctly.

          Wilder is low output early on, so Fury needs to come in, land a jab or two then grab and lean all over Wilder until the ref breaks it up. If he does this correctly theres a chance Wilder gets worn down before he even gets started. Fury shouldn't even consider throwing more than single shots until late in the fight.

          Fury has an inside game, and physically I don't see Wilder being set up to hang in a close up, messy inside brawl, stay in the eye of the storm, don't give wilder any space to throw a right hand from the floor, and frustrate him for a decision or possible late stoppage if Wilder gets tired from all the wrestling.
          I suggest you watch more boxing before ****posting

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            #15
            I respect every opinion that is thought out, time has proven again and again that anything can happen in a match...we see two punchers and the fight goes the distance...happens all the time. But logic is logic and two things one realizes quickly is that the house does not get rich by setting odds on that which is implausable.

            Sometimes the house obviously gets it wrong. But in most fights if one looks really carefully there is a logic to who will win and I say this regardless of what even the judges decide in a match.

            When Mike Tyson was winning, part of what made him so dangerous was that he had two knockout hands and not one. It so happens that on the professional level, to avoid two hands instead of one can be a real problem.

            In this fight Wilder is a gifted puncher BUT: His reach is nullified by Fury's own, he has one KO hand, and is facing a guy who can move. So sure its true all Wilder has to do is land that punch, but that is not a logical outcome in this fight in my opinion.

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            • sunny31
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              #16
              Originally posted by REDEEMER
              Wilder has next to zero chance when looking at the flaws of each . That's the best way to determining the winner and who is more capable of exploiting them. Giving a punchers chance is all good but is that really the way we breakdown a fight by chance ?
              This!!! Everyone always assumes that bombs going to always land, at some point it doesn't, and that is normally against an elite fighter. Now no way in hell do I think Fury is going in and coming out unscathed, but there is Landing and there is LANDING. People shouldn't be surprised if Fury avoids a KO type shot like others haven't, and also don't be surprised if Fury is hit well that he is able to tie Wilder up and survive.

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                #17
                imo, anyone who picks Wilder is either a moron or not making a seriously thought out pick (i.e. making picks to 'fit in')

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by earl-hickey
                  General thoughts

                  -------------------------------------------------

                  Prior to Fury vs Klitschko I was one of about 3 people who actually rated Fury, I had a blog post on here in which I wrote about him which appears to have been lost.

                  Let me say I did not expect him to win vs Klitschko, but I did feel he would win several rounds before ultimately getting caught, and put up a good effort.

                  Since that fight however, I feel the opinion on him has done a total 180, and i'm not 100% sure it's warranted. I feel he had a style which was all wrong for Klitschko, and caught him off guard, and i'm still not sure who would have won the immediate rematch, as Klitschko surely would have let his hands go.

                  As for Wilder, it's no secret I don't rate him, I will give him credit that his right hand power is truly elite level, and he has impressive athleticism and good stamina. However his textbook boxing leaves a LOT to be desired. Defensively he is open, he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes, and he's in love with his own power.


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                  Prediction

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                  It's actually a straightforward pick for me, Wilder by KO and I think it comes in the first half of the fight.

                  Even a PRIME Fury would have his hands full with Wilder.

                  See the thing is Wilder is no stranger to being outboxed, and in this fight it's actually to his credit. He will not be at all surprised when Fury starts the fight by out-jabbing him, everyone does!

                  The problem is, Wilder is a risk taker, he throws that right hand from crazy angles and only needs to land it one time.

                  When i see footage of Fury sparring and training it's glaringly obvious to me that his footwork is nowhere near the same as it was pre lay-off.

                  Against Pianeta and in training, fury trudges around the ring for the most part, this means Wilder will likely have better distance control in this fight.

                  I see Wilder throwing caution to the wind after 3-4 rounds and just coming forward going for it, and I think Fury will be lucky to last 3 rounds at that point.



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                  How i could be proven wrong

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                  I give Fury zero chance of winning a 12 round UD using clean boxing, I don't think his timing, footwork or head movement will be good enough over the 12 round distance.

                  What Fury needs to do is pull an Ali-Frazier 2

                  Wilder is always very light but against a taller man for the first time with a significant weight advantage that COULD cost him if Fury uses it correctly.

                  Wilder is low output early on, so Fury needs to come in, land a jab or two then grab and lean all over Wilder until the ref breaks it up. If he does this correctly theres a chance Wilder gets worn down before he even gets started. Fury shouldn't even consider throwing more than single shots until late in the fight.

                  Fury has an inside game, and physically I don't see Wilder being set up to hang in a close up, messy inside brawl, stay in the eye of the storm, don't give wilder any space to throw a right hand from the floor, and frustrate him for a decision or possible late stoppage if Wilder gets tired from all the wrestling.
                  Too many people like you sleeping on Fury's power, he may not be lights out but he hits hard enough to deter aggression and if Wilder really takes liberties and gets irresponsible, Fury has enough power to hurt him and take him out.

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                  • hugh grant
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by IrishDiscussion
                    imo, anyone who picks Wilder is either a moron or not making a seriously thought out pick (i.e. making picks to 'fit in')
                    Not really. People pick wilder as they don't think fury is what he was and nobody knows in real ity.
                    I have an intuition fury will have enough left. My hunch might be proved wrong though. I'm fully aware of that.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by hugh grant
                      Not really. People pick wilder as they don't think fury is what he was and nobody knows in real ity.
                      I have an intuition fury will have enough left. My hunch might be proved wrong though. I'm fully aware of that.

                      hence, ignorance.

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