Comments Thread For: Wilder: Hearn Treated Ortiz Like Clown, All Unfulfilled Promises

[davefromvancouv]

Everything stated here is true. I'm not a Joshua "hater", but I am a critic of any fighter who has a belt and claims to be the best, but is reluctant to face the best to prove it. I understand that Joshua is extremely popular in the UK. He can fill stadiums fighting second tier opponents. But he and his handlers are using that fact to hide from Wilder. When you can earn millions with little risk, why chance getting your head torn off? Right? But that isn't the mentality of a champion.

Exactly. Hope he fights the Wilder-Fury winner next. And on the undercard let's have Whyte-Ortiz...

[Mrbamladen]

Finkle was not sending a signed contract back.

Finkle had that contract for 4 weeks but sat on it doing nothing. He then came out of the blue and said he wants the fight. But he knew the WBA was breathing down his neck so wasted some more time by pretending he wanted the fight when he clearly didn't. Hearn had already got two extensions from the WBA, so when they asked if he had a signed contract from finkle and the answer was no, they had to move forward. That's how it works you see.

Actually he came out and said wilder accepted 15m flat to fight aj and to send the contract. Once Hearn sent the date and venue, finkle is on record saying they would have the signed contract by Friday. Suddenly on Tuesday he pulls out to make the povetkin fight. Are we really to believe the wba wouldn't wait for three days to make a super fight??? Lol. You hearniacs believe anything.

[Marchegiano]

Then clue yourself up! Your post was full of excuses and deflecting. Joshua didn’t pursue this, this one pursue him etc like a straight up female. ******** fanboys.

Criminy son you are slow aren't you?

In what way am I attempting to lessen the blame attached to a fault or offense, seeking to defend or justify, or releasing anyone from a duty or requirement? Sounds like what you are doing right now ya wee emotional butterball princess that ya're.

This is an excuse: I couldn't make any ****ing sense of your gibberish because you are using excuse improperly and not giving enough context around it to let me know what the **** you mean by excuse.

I didn't excuse anyone of anything. I did accuse though.


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[Ray*]

Just an absurd amount of spin and misinformation.

Their resumes are evidence of one of them starting as an unknown while the other debuted with historical fanfare.

The details of how Joshua's fights came to be do not reflect a Joshua looking to make great fights but rather great fights coming to Joshua. Whyte, Martin, Wlad, Parker, and Povetkin is a great resume, bar none the best, but Whyte, Martin, Wlad, Parker, and Sasha all pursued Joshua not the other way around.

Shelly was Wlad's manager. Why isn't this worded as Wilder called Wlad out, Wlad said Wilder needs to get more fights, and the manager they shared agreed with Wlad? That is what happened. If I was as propagandist as you I'd claim Wlad and Wlad's manager ducked ducked Wilder publicly.

Criminy son you are slow aren't you?


I didn't excuse anyone of anything. I did accuse though.

That’s your first post where you were making excuses and trying to deflect everything from Wilder. So you must be the slow one. I have lost my patience with fanboys like yourself and I would be giving it back to you lot tenfolds this week. The less of you lots around here the better for the IQ and class of this site.

[aboutfkntime]

Then clue yourself up! Your post was full of excuses and deflecting. Joshua didn’t pursue this, this one pursue him etc like a straight up female. ******** fanboys.

are are being an absolute fkn mug Ray

it is clearly obvious who is avoiding that fight

the ducker is the guy who will not pay Wilder what he was willing to pay the rookie Parker

[Sid-Knee]

Yes, and that reason is that Joshua is an easier fight than Wilder.

Fact is...

Of the three, Wilder and Fury are the only champions willing to find out who is the best of the division. Joshua is a champion in name only, carving out a nice following in the UK (picking up Fury's belts), but conveniently avoiding the real threats of the division. Whyte has followed suit, claiming to want to fight the best but opting out of WBC eliminators and blatantly refusing to fight Ortiz on December 22nd.

After December 1st, the Wilder-Fury winner will have proven himself to be the true champion of the division. Joshua will be on the outside looking in until he is ready to step up.

Joshua is an easier fight than Wilder? Haha. I remember you and your delusion. Seems you're back at it.

Joshua is the number 1 to every sane person in the world and is recognised as such. The Fury/Wilder fight is to find the number 2, nothing more.

Wilder's title belongs to Vitali then, so he is less of a champion there as well because Joshua has 3 to his 1. Try logic that works next time. But don't worry yourself, there is nothing logical that has anyone over Joshua. None.

The Chisora fight was deep in negotiations well before Whyte and Ortiz started **** talking each other on twitter. That fight was always the main goal. So no ducking took place at all. Only in the minds of the deranged.

Wilder has spent his career fighting garbage, not fighting the best like you delude yourself with. Ortiz had high blood pressure and nearly failed the medical, so that alone tells you the shape he's in. The dude has 2 rounds of stamina. The fact Wilder was being beaten by him and nearly got taken out shows, along with other bums Wilder has fought, that he is actually shocking. And now he's cherry picked a shot Fury. The facts say Wilder is a coward. His career has been cherry picked to death against complete bums whereas Joshua has fought the best out there and unified in half the fights.

Whenever Wilder wants to stop pricing himself out of the fight, it's there for him. But he's too scared so won't take it. He wants to convince a load of dribblers instead that he's the best by fighting nothing but garbage while avoiding fresh active fighters like Whyte and Joshua even though there is tons of money on offer. So stay being convinced by a ****** with the IQ of a pineapple. Stay being deluded. And i'll continue to laugh at idiots like you.

[Sid-Knee]

They both were under Hearn, as a promoter, when they were both UNDEFEATED, HEARN or AJ could've easily made that fight. AJ said 50 mil would do it.......Hearn said let me verify the funds are there>>>>>VERIFIEED the funds where there.........I say that to say this, if he wouldnt fight for the HIGHEST gauranteed HW payday, the price he REQUESTED, UNDISPUTED TITLE, with ALL BELTS, he doesnt really want this fight OR IS IT HEARN

Which fight could Joshua have faced Ortiz instead of another opponent?

You do know that contract had BT Sport providing a lot of that money? You know, the platform Joshua couldn't fight on because of a contract with Sky Sports? So try again.

It's funny that people are so ******ed they bring up that bogus 50 Mill still. Haha.

[Sid-Knee]

Calm down, no I didn't. All I did was point out how propagandist Ray was being. Christ man, read the post. You and I have had too many interactions for me to allow you to do that to yourself. You're not a dumb****.

Joshua didn't pursue any of those men, if you like we can time stamp the narrative but I am absolutely positive.

Who cares? Crimeny fella mine was a response to a post....it is relevant to the post it responded to. I didn't say it to disparage AJ. Just to point out at no point in Joshua's career has it been any different than the present. AJ is the bell of the ball bubba, everyone wants him. Everyone wanted him before he was even champion. That isn't a detraction or a bad thing, but, anytime anyone highlights how bull**** an AJ fan is even the rational AJ fans gotta come cry yeah? No, you do not. You are better and you usually present something worth talking about. It isn't my fault Joshua fans straight up lie to one another and that is exactly what Ray did.

Wlad did, in an interview on Youtube no less. Again, I we can go through the chronology if you like but I am absolutely sure.

Did you think I was unaware of how many panties that post would twist? I knew exactly whose den I was pissing in. You ought to know by now I come correct. There isn't a ****ing thing negatively written about Joshua or Wlad in that post but here you are crying and shouting say it ain't so.


Oh it's true. It's damn true. Joshua didn't pursue a single one of his resume wins. Wlad's manager and Wilder's manager were the same man. Wlad did publicly tell Wilder to get more fights. Not a ****ing thing to cry over....I expect more of you.

Those fights happened because Joshua wanted them to happen. If he didn't want them, they wouldn't have happened. And yes, he did pursue those 4 fights I gave you. It was not the other way round.

Put up that Wlad interview and time stamp it. I can assure you Wlad was talking in general.

There was a video on YT of Wilder speaking in the gym about not fighting Wlad until 2017 and waiting for him to get older. Wilder had zero intention of having that fight. But guess what, I've searched all over and the video has disappeared. Funny that isn't it? On my life that video existed.

Wlad would never have thought a fight with Joshua was viable because Joshua was so green. The only reason he started talking in those terms is down to Hearn saying they were interested in that fight. So no, Wlad did not do the chasing. And Finkle didn't have anything to do with that deal actually, sorry. Hearn and Bonte did that deal which is why you'll find no evidence of Finkle's involvement.

[Robbie Barrett]

Ortiz and his team are clowns. Walked away from a guaranteed shot at Joshua and 5+ mil to fight Wilder for 500k.

[Sid-Knee]

I'm less harsh on Joshua, but, yeah I do agree....it's all bull****.

The redeemer, for me, is simply Joshua is the man. I've been a hardcore Wilder fan since 2011. I've been telling people this kid is one of the greatest to ever lace them up since the time folks were saying he'd never become a ranked fighter. Back when Seth Mitchell was seen as the better prospect and David Price wasn't a joke yet. I do believe Wilder is the best of this generation and one of the best ever.

But, and this is a big but, that is all speculation. What if Wilder climbs that mountain and crumbles? Joshua didn't. Josh climbed that mountain and said try and catch me *****es.

Fury did. Fury has never had a career where he was the man who everyone wanted to fight because when he took that position his mental disability kicked in and he crumbled.

I don't believe Wilder would fold. I believe he's gonna clear the division then retire before anyone whoops him, but since he has yet to prove he can handle being the man of the division I respect the one we have.

Wilder is one of the greatest to lace them up? You believe Wilder is the best of this generation?

You shouldn't go round making posts like this, you might be locked up for being criminally insane.

I've heard some crazy ish in my time, but this might just top all of that. Wow.