Comments Thread For: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew: Afterthoughts

[Marvlus Marv]

That's very good. You want me to believe Usyk was outboxing a "world class" Bellew yet somehow he was down on 2 of the three cards and even on the third. How does that work? I can tell you've invested a lot of faith in Uzi baby and that's why my opinion stings. I don't dislike like him or not rate him but I say what I see. Has Tony ever been truly world class? You're either tripping on acid/mushrooms or trolling with that nugget.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Great post.

Yeah, that's an interesting point. Many favor Joshua, Wilder, and Fury maybe over Usyk. What about the other top heavies though? How many others would be favored over Usyk? My guess would be few.

[kafkod]

That's very good. You want me to believe Usyk was outboxing a "world class" Bellew yet somehow he was down on 2 of the three cards and even on the third. How does that work? I can tell you've invested a lot of faith in Uzi baby and that's why my opinion stings. I don't dislike like him or not rate him but I say what I see. Has Tony ever been truly world class? You're either tripping on acid/mushrooms or trolling with that nugget.

Please just go away. I'm not interested in trying to have a discussion with somebody who posts the kind of shit that you are spouting in this thread.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Yet Tony said himself his tank just "emptied" which is why Usyk got to him. It suggests his conditioning wasn't what it should have been or the belief drained out of him - which would be strange since he was up on 2 cards and must've known he was winning the fight. Usyk's pressure was constant but he was mostly bouncing and flicking out the jab with varying success.

His tank didn’t just empty it’s was hit repeatedly throughout tound seven, after Usyk hit Bellew right at the end of six his legs were weak Usyk went to the body for a full round round 8 was what it was. The fight was over when he landed that shot in the final second of six.

[Noelanthony]

But Usyk wasn't doing a great deal to make Tony gas so suddenly. He couldn't work out how to get to Tony without getting touched by his right hand. Even Bellew said his energy levels just disappeared. I'm not completely buying the argument that it was Usyk's relentlless pressure that got to Tony and I think some of the Usyk hype was debunked, a la Canelo vs Golovkin II & Ward vs Kov II (especially so).

Maybe but Bellew threw an awful lot of Hayemakers and was missing and constantly being backed up. He was getting hit to the body which doesn’t help and every time he got clipped to the head his entire body looked like it was in shock.

I have to reiterate the game plan Tony executed was excellent and it is very hard to look special when you are being countered for fun. However from the end of round 3 Usyk was beginning to have his way without not necessarily being dominant.

[Awhispersecho]

No mention of the fact that he has to be able to take their punch as well. Even the heavy's outside of the big 3, can he take a big shot from Brazeale, Miller, Chisora, Martin or someone like Povetkin which I think would be a good 1st heavyweight fight for him. There is a big difference between having the skills to go up against these guys and having the chin to take their punches.

[Raggamuffin]

How about this for a thought!

If AJ flops Wilder in April and this time next year Usyk decisions AJ (both scenarios are feasible to anyone with half a boxing brain) then Usyk becomes the first man to have held all the marbles at cruiserweight and heavyweight.

And all in UNDER 20 fights, not a bad legacy that lad!

How about this alt. Usyk fights Joshua because Joshua the coward avoids Wilder who doesn't need him anyway...I feel he beats Fury. How about the boxing world just comes out and brands Joshua a coward like me lol..

[Sangy]

I do not personally believe that Usyk will be competitive with the top heavyweights, but you should not doubt his chin. Cruiserweights are NOT substantially more heavy-handed than cruisers and he has taken the best shots from the heaviest hitters in the division. He can definitely take a heavyweight punch and keep on coming, because his chin was literally untouchable at cruiserweight. Obviously, if Wilder hits him on the chin he'll go down because even the best beards in the heavyweight world have all crumbled after one solid shot. The only man who didn't (Stiverne *first fight) was so badly beaten by the end that Stiverne, who had never even been wobbled in his career made a comeback fight and was dropped by a nobody.

The question isn't if Usyk can take a heavyweight punch, it's whether he can DELIVER a heavyweight punch. He has all the skill in the world, there's no debating that, but at 6'2" he can't move up to heavyweight and control the ring. He will be the smaller man and he will have work on the INSIDE, and that means he needs to hit much harder than the average heavyweight. Sure, there are mid-tier fighters like Dillian Whyte who are roughly Usyk's size, but none of those fighters are even competitive going up against the best in the division. I don't think Usyk understands that with his style of boxing, he's going to be out of jab range still getting caught with hooks when he tries to fight at the championship level.

[Sangy]

Maybe but Bellew threw an awful lot of Hayemakers and was missing and constantly being backed up. He was getting hit to the body which doesn’t help and every time he got clipped to the head his entire body looked like it was in shock.

I have to reiterate the game plan Tony executed was excellent and it is very hard to look special when you are being countered for fun. However from the end of round 3 Usyk was beginning to have his way without not necessarily being dominant.

You've almost put it all together, but let me finish the equation for you. A lot of people think Usyk was down in the fight, but he wasn't even close and I'll tell you why--12 rounds.

Bellew, for 5 rounds, pushed himself beyond his own physical limits in order to evade Usyk's offense and set up those countering shots. His speed was legitimately so much higher than Usyk's in those rounds that there was nothing he could do about it. In round 6, his speed immediately cut in half. His feet, his upper body movement, and his hands all cut in half from one round to the next. He had used up all the fast energy stored in his muscles in 5 rounds with 7 more to go. That's how he was winning rounds. Bellew simply did not save anything for later. And you can not expect to win the early rounds against a man who is willing to blow everything before the fight is halfway through.

[Gurgutt]

Just can't get all this talk about Bellew outboxing and Usyk struggling LOL.
The only explanation for such a widespread delusion is the sheetty quality of the video ****** these people might have watched.
Just find the fight in HD and disillusion yourself.
Or check compubox fight stats, for Christ's sake.