Comments Thread For: Linares: Canelo is Best Pound-For-Pound Fighter in The World

[Jab jab boom]

Take GGG's cok out of your mouth...jesus lol

Quit smacking me, put your purse down and realize it's ok that your man lost.

in 2 weeks time you have 400 plus posts, most of them virtually blowing Canelos balls and you have the nerve to talk about cok sucking? . What are you doing with your life that you've posted this many times in such a short time frame? What kind of weirdo has such passion for a boxer that you don't even know that you've dedicated your life to defending him? If you're not 13 yrs old, your life is a complete wreck. You have to be one of those unemployed, living with your mom, stealing food from the fridge, play video games all day, talk tough online losers. There's no other explanation.

[aboutfkntime]

Remember when GGG fans used to call Ward Slapping saggy or something like that? Now they're acting like GGG's Jab is better than Sonny Liston's and Tommy Hearns. You know damn well if that was Andre Ward Slapping and weak jabbing like that these GGG HYPOCRITES would be all over it mocking him.

GGG landed a total of 6 body shots!!!

And how is out working someone missing 645 times?? Did Hellen Keller train GGG??? So you miss 645 times and then land 2-3 more punches a round??? I dont get it?

the casuals completely forget that defence is official scoring criteria

they are too busy running around counting jabs, which are NOT official scoring criteria

[aboutfkntime]

yesterday was fun, but Canelo is not #1 P4P imho

but he is right up there

the guys who rank him #1 are still making the mistake of including resume

which really clouds the waters in my book

including a fighters resume..... is for a " current ATG " list

true P4P consideration is based on skills/style/form, and can include a complete rookie

e.g.

Canelo was not ranked P4P before Golovkin, WHICH IS INSANE..... because, he is the exact same fighter

as soon as you INSIST on factoring in resume, you make it a current ATG list..... considering resume is fine, it adds that proven factor..... but unproven guys beat proven guys all the time..... so INSISTING upon resume, is flawed, and misses the point of P4P..... which started as a bar-room debate about who's fighter would win if they both weighed the same

P4P is based on ceteris paribus, all things being equal..... and is mostly concerned with who would win based on style/skills, but form is also a valid factor, because that deals with age/decline..... WANT PROOF??..... Pacquiao has the best resume BY FAR..... but Crawford/Lomachenko are both ranked well-above him despite the fact that their resume's are not even close to Manny's

I ranked Loma P4P before he had fought anybody, and I was right..... and I ranked Mayweather P4P 15+ years ago, long before he had fought anybody..... and I was right there as well

P4P = skills / style / form..... who would win, if all things were equal (weight)..... nothing else

P4P is horribly over-rated, I never pay it much mind to be honest..... we saw that when The Ring hastily included Canelo in their P4P rankings after he beat Golovkin

[Shadoww702]

yesterday was fun, but Canelo is not #1 P4P imho

but he is right up there

the guys who rank him #1 are still making the mistake of including resume

which really clouds the waters in my book

including a fighters resume..... is for a " current ATG " list

true P4P consideration is based on skills/style/form, and can include a complete rookie

e.g.

Canelo was not ranked P4P before Golovkin, WHICH IS INSANE..... because, he is the exact same fighter

as soon as you INSIST on factoring in resume, you make it a current ATG list..... considering resume is fine, it adds that proven factor..... but unproven guys beat proven guys all the time..... so INSISTING upon resume, is flawed, and misses the point of P4P..... which started as a bar-room debate about who's fighter would win if they both weighed the same

P4P is based on ceteris paribus, all things being equal..... and is mostly concerned with who would win based on style/skills, but form is also a valid factor, because that deals with age/decline..... WANT PROOF??..... Pacquiao has the best resume BY FAR..... but Crawford/Lomachenko are both ranked well-above him despite the fact that their resume's are not even close to Manny's

I ranked Loma P4P before he had fought anybody, and I was right..... and I ranked Mayweather P4P 15+ years ago, long before he had fought anybody..... and I was right there as well

P4P = skills / style / form..... who would win, if all things were equal (weight)..... nothing else

P4P is horribly over-rated, I never pay it much mind to be honest..... we saw that when The Ring hastily included Canelo in their P4P rankings after he beat Golovkin

You are correct! Resume is not a criteria for judging fights or P4Pers It helps because you can compare highly skilled guys against each other instead of guys that collect cans and smash tomatoes all day though....

[Boxingfanatic75]

you really have Canelo #1 p4p? Don't ever respond to me again. You're a joke.

He’s #1 by a long shot and it’s not even close or up for debate. His only loss is to the ATG, he beat the p4p #1, has beaten every top guy in front of him, has the best resume out of ALL boxers and multi division champ. No, you’re the joke around here. Give me someone else who tops his resume, has beaten the p4p #1 or beaten any p4p rated fighter and wins. I’ll sleep while I wait

[Lion81]

in 2 weeks time you have 400 plus posts, most of them virtually blowing Canelos balls and you have the nerve to talk about cok sucking? . What are you doing with your life that you've posted this many times in such a short time frame? What kind of weirdo has such passion for a boxer that you don't even know that you've dedicated your life to defending him? If you're not 13 yrs old, your life is a complete wreck. You have to be one of those unemployed, living with your mom, stealing food from the fridge, play video games all day, talk tough online losers. There's no other explanation.

You are the biggest GGG nutsucking lamo here. Don't have the nerve to talk about me when you yourself can't be objective.

I'm new here, quit trying to say I'm an alt. Not every new member coming in has to be an alt dip shiat.

Now go back to your favorite hobby and be GGG's woman.

[Jab jab boom]

He’s #1 by a long shot and it’s not even close or up for debate. His only loss is to the ATG, he beat the p4p #1, has beaten every top guy in front of him, has the best resume out of ALL boxers and multi division champ. No, you’re the joke around here. Give me someone else who tops his resume, has beaten the p4p #1 or beaten any p4p rated fighter and wins. I’ll sleep while I wait

there literally isn't 1 single credible p4p list that has him #1. Let me explain something to you since you're clearly new to boxing. (or a ******). Nobody assesses p4p on judges score cards. It's based on the in ring performances and here is the truth about canelo whether you want to hear it or not. He squeaked by Austin trout. He was significantly out landed and out worked in that fight but he did get the knock down. He was embarassed by Floyd. Many had him losing vs lara and even if you didn't, he looked very bad and was extremely ineffective. He was underwhelming vs little 36 yr old cotto and never established domincnace in a fight that he had every conceivable advantage. Most who scored it had the fight much closer than the judges did. I won't give any credit for wins vs khan, Smith and Chavez jr for obvious reasons. (they all suck or are mediocre at best). He was then very lucky to get a draw vs 35 yr old ggg as the vast majority had him clearly losing that fight. He then took peds and got caught. He performed better in the rematch but still didn't establish any separation vs the 36 yr old ggg. None of that qualifies you for #1 p4p. Crawford and Loma have both shown themselves to have better all around talent and skill sets than Canelo. Mikey has shown himself to be better fundamentally, and usyk has shown himself to be more dominant. Canelo is within the top 10 but not #1. It's laughable that you think so.

[aboutfkntime]

He’s #1 by a long shot and it’s not even close or up for debate. His only loss is to the ATG, he beat the p4p #1, has beaten every top guy in front of him, has the best resume out of ALL boxers and multi division champ. No, you’re the joke around here. Give me someone else who tops his resume, has beaten the p4p #1 or beaten any p4p rated fighter and wins. I’ll sleep while I wait

I see where you went wrong

IF, Canelo fought Crawford or Lomachenko.....

and, IF, all things were equal (weight).....

..... as-in, if both guys were naturally the same size..... nobody going up, nobody coming down..... but naturally the same size..... who would win?..... just based on skills/style, and form.....?

not so easy now, huh ?'

THAT, is what P4P means..... NOT, who did whatever yesterday

[Jab jab boom]

You are the biggest GGG nutsucking lamo here. Don't have the nerve to talk about me when you yourself can't be objective.

I'm new here, quit trying to say I'm an alt. Not every new member coming in has to be an alt dip shiat.

Now go back to your favorite hobby and be GGG's woman.

good job ignoring how I exposed your tremendous love for Canelo and how you've spent the last 2 weeks dedicating your life to prove that love. Newsflash ******, I'm not a ggg fan. I've rooted against him, I've rooted for him and if he were to fight Charlo, I'd pick him to lose. Probably by stoppage. I just prefer ggg over canelo because unlike you, I see Canelo for what he is. Somebody who gets favorable treatment, who spent 2 yrs ducking the fight with ggg, while fighting 3 of the worst ppv mismatches of all time. I don't support scams like that. Not to mention inbred fan boys such as yourself make it even easier to dislike him because it's very easy to make you all look ****** by exposing your lack of boxing knowledge and exposing your gay tendencies for Canelo.

[j0zef]

That’s the issue. People will nit pick the hell out of Canelo (and they used to for Ward also). No mention of Rigo’s age, size, etc or who Loma beat on the p4p to get there.

Canelo beats a guy on a longer tear than Rigo, who’s bigger than him, and who’s a CURRENT top p4p fighter, but it’s a “paper” win. Hell, Loma has a more recent loss than Canelo. Loma was never top 3 pre rigo and that’s why to this day people (though I disagree) still say Loma is hype because he just randomly is given crazy ranks without merit.


The records book dont care about fantasy wins or slow mo-muted commentary or disputed wins or losses. Results are results and the decisions have stood. P4p doesnt run off division rankings. Just because Canelo “just” gets by Gennady doesnt mean he only goes up one spot over him as if everyone else on the p4p list also got in the ring with and beat Golovkin better lmao.

As great as Loma is, he’s not even in the discussion as p4p number 1 unless he beats Mikey and Mikey is out here making wills and taking crazy fights that will undoubtedly lower his status if he loses and thus, lower the value of a win by Loma. Canelo would have to either lose or sit out all the way until Loma beats Mikey to even start debating if he deserves number 1.

Top 5? Sure. But right now boxing has a legitimate and eeeeaaasy number 1.

Anyone under him is actually up to debate, but not so with him.

We don’t have to like it (and many hate it) but anyone who doesn’t have Canelo number 1 is a hater who would never have him number 1 regardless.

He could run into the ring during Wilder-Fury and beat them both up at the same time and then call AJ in and beat him too and people would say “AJ didnt train. Wilder never had skills. Fury is a depressed druggie! Of course they can’t touch Canelo, they’re so slow lolololoLoLo”

Uh.. there's a reason why 99% majority of the boxing world doesn't agree with you. You're living in a dream world.

Facts:
No organization has Canelo as #1 P4P.
Every single one has Loma in top3, majority at #1.
In all the current rankings, Canelo is ranked exactly 1 spot above Golovkin.

TBRB: Canelo 7, Golovkin 8
Ring & ESPN: Canelo 3, GGG 4.

To me, P4P rankings begin and end with TBRB. That's why that organization was created in the first place, and the one that is independent and realistic.