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  • Mr Objecitivity
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    #21
    Originally posted by Raggamuffin
    Needed? Lmao...And if you had Wilder losing to Szpilka, then you can't score a fight. The southpaw comparison comes at CW and HVW. What you're saying makes absolutely NO sense. But I sense that you love Loma and Usyk so I expect the above lmao.
    Wilder has gotten better with each fight. He put Szpilka in the hospital. He also stopped Duhaupus. And Im confident that if Usyk and Wilder fight...and Wilder isn't old by then that Usyk has no chance to beat Wilder.
    I didn't claim Wilder was losing to Szpilka. I stated he lost multiple rounds. Even if Wilder was winning at the time of the stoppage, the fight was still very close to even. Wilder wasn't up by a big margin.

    Szpilka is a blown up cruiser weight who carries plenty of pounds of fat. Let's not act like Szpilka is somehow a more legitimate / credible heavyweight, than Usyk is.

    Both are southpaws! However, Usyk is SIGNIFICANTLY more skilled than Szpilka with even better movement, footwork, guard and durability. So if Wilder needed 10 rounds to FINALLY KO Szpilka, what makes you think he'd do any better against a far better Usyk?

    Wilder got a premature, standing stoppage against Duhaupas in the 11th round where Duhaupas was literally making Wilder miss his last 2 punches before he was prematurely stopped. Wilder didn't legitimately finish Duhaupas off! And why was that? It was due to Duhaupas's high guard which was giving Wilder hell.

    Wilder couldn't KO Bermane Stiverne in the first fight when Stiverne was still in his prime. Once again, it was due to Stiverne's high guard.

    Even shot Chris Arreola exposed Wilder's power when he pretty much walked through him for close to 10 rounds, and was only pulled out after he sustained an injury. Wilder COULD NOT KO CHRIS ARREOLA! Once again, coming down to a very simple utilization of a high guard.

    In Usyk, Wilder will be fighting a guy with FAR BETTER MOVEMENT AND SKILLS than Artur Szpilka, who also utilizes a high guard like Johann Duhaupas and Chris Arreola, but at a higher level.

    Claiming Usyk has no chance to beat Wilder is flat out delusional!

    If the likes of Duhaupas, Molina and Arreola can last 10 or so rounds against Wilder, whilst also badly damaging Wilder and whilst also winning rounds in the process, then Usyk can ABSOLUTELY do better.
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      #22
      Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity
      I didn't claim Wilder was losing to Szpilka. I stated he lost multiple rounds. Even if Wilder was winning at the time of the stoppage, the fight was still very close to even. Wilder wasn't up by a big margin.

      Szpilka is a blown up cruiser weight who carries plenty of pounds of fat. Let's not act like Szpilka is somehow a more legitimate / credible heavyweight, than Usyk is.

      Both are southpaws! However, Usyk is SIGNIFICANTLY more skilled than Szpilka with even better movement, footwork, guard and durability. So if Wilder needed 10 rounds to FINALLY KO Szpilka, what makes you think he'd do any better against a far better Usyk?

      Wilder got a premature, standing stoppage against Duhaupas in the 11th round where Duhaupas was literally making Wilder miss his last 2 punches before he was prematurely stopped. Wilder didn't legitimately finish Duhaupas off! And why was that? It was due to Duhaupas's high guard which was giving Wilder hell.

      Wilder couldn't KO Bermane Stiverne in the first fight when Stiverne was still in his prime. Once again, it was due to Stiverne's high guard.

      Even shot Chris Arreola exposed Wilder's power when he pretty much walked through him for close to 10 rounds, and was only pulled out after he sustained an injury. Wilder COULD NOT KO CHRIS ARREOLA! Once again, coming down to a very simple utilization of a high guard.

      In Usyk, Wilder will be fighting a guy with FAR BETTER MOVEMENT AND SKILLS than Artur Szpilka, who also utilizes a high guard like Johann Duhaupas and Chris Arreola, but at a higher level.

      Claiming Usyk has no chance to beat Wilder is flat out delusional!

      If the likes of Duhaupas, Molina and Arreola can last 10 or so rounds against Wilder, whilst also badly damaging Wilder and whilst also winning rounds in the process, then Usyk can ABSOLUTELY do better.
      When I read your worthless rant on Szpilka and Usyk lmao...i was almost inclined to respond lol. Not!!!

      Get off of Usyks **** lmao. I'd correct the thought above, but incessant **** blowing of Usyk doesn't deserve a response for the level of "almost" ignorance mentioned above. It is your opinion doe, lmao.

      And for the record...

      They all got stopped. Whatever you say...they all got stopped.

      When Usyk makes noise at heavy, let me know. And yeah, as long as Wilder isn't old, he sparks Usyk. Usyk wouldn't be able to stand up to Widers power. He might not get past the jab. But you'll point out Wilder's past fights as if they're evidence as to how he can be beat. I can do the same. Usyk held a distinct height and reach advantage over guys his size. He won't hold any over Wilder.

      Wilder is a different type of style and so is Joshua. I actual think that he could pull some rounds over Joshua. But a 12 round fight with a big heavy is a different story.

      GET THE STRAP!!!

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        #23
        Originally posted by Raggamuffin
        When I read your worthless rant on Szpilka and Usyk lmao...i was almost inclined to respond lol. Not!!!

        Get off of Usyks **** lmao. I'd correct the thought above, but incessant **** blowing of Usyk doesn't deserve a response for the level of "almost" ignorance mentioned above. It is your opinion doe, lmao.

        And for the record...

        They all got stopped. Whatever you say...they all got stopped.

        When Usyk makes noise at heavy, let me know. And yeah, as long as Wilder isn't old, he sparks Usyk. Usyk wouldn't be able to stand up to Widers power. He might not get past the jab. But you'll point out Wilder's past fights as if they're evidence as to how he can be beat. I can do the same. Usyk held a distinct height and reach advantage over guys his size. He won't hold any over Wilder.

        Wilder is a different type of style and so is Joshua. I actual think that he could pull some rounds over Joshua. But a 12 round fight with a big heavy is a different story.

        GET THE STRAP!!!

        I'm not sure why you are being so emotional with your responses? Or feel the need to give such emotional responses? You INITIALLY responded to a comment of mine, and I'm just responding to you in return. That's all!

        Yes, of course it is my opinion! Just like it is your opinion when you claim Usyk has no chance of beating Wilder. Difference is, my opinion is an educated one, based on facts. Whilst your opinion is baseless.

        Sure, they got stopped. But Wilder didn't stop Duhaupas. The referee prematurely stopped the fight, when Duhaupas was LITERALLY making Wilder miss his last 2 punches in his combination.

        And sure, Molina also got stopped. But Wilder needed 9 rounds to finish off a glass jawed Molina who was already previously KO'ed twice in the first round alone. So what if Wilder stopped Molina? He was supposed to stop him anyway. But the fact that he took that long and that many punches, and still couldn't keep Molina down, exposes Wilder's power and offensive skills to be lacking.

        Referee prematurely stopping Wilder's fight against Duhaupas is supposed to prove what exactly? That Wilder needs gift stoppages and referee help to win, when his power gets exposed?

        Can you post just one, and I mean just one knockdown Wilder inflicted on Duhaupas? I'll wait!

        It may shock you to learn that I don't think as highly of Usyk, or rate him as highly as you think I do. It just happens to be that I rate Wilder even lower and think even less of him.

        Joshua also ABSOLUTELY destroys Wilder! And I don't rate Joshua too highly either. But when Wilder is going life and death against a clown like Duhaupas, 11 rounds, having his eye nearly shut, and failing to even drop this Duhaupas, then his chances of beating Joshua who is superior to Duhaupas in EVERY department doesn't look too good.

        Both Usyk and Joshua would be favorites to beat Wilder. And beating Wilder alone, wouldn't even be much of an impressive accomplishment for either Usyk or Joshua.

        And before you state "Wilder sparks Usyk and Joshua DOE DOE DOE". Why didn't Wilder 'spark' Duhaupas in 11 rounds then? Where was the knockdown? The same Duhaupas who is inferior to Joshua or Usyk.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity
          I'm not sure why you are being so emotional with your responses? Or feel the need to give such emotional responses? You INITIALLY responded to a comment of mine, and I'm just responding to you in return. That's all!

          Yes, of course it is my opinion! Just like it is your opinion when you claim Usyk has no chance of beating Wilder. Difference is, my opinion is an educated one, based on facts. Whilst your opinion is baseless.

          Sure, they got stopped. But Wilder didn't stop Duhaupas. The referee prematurely stopped the fight, when Duhaupas was LITERALLY making Wilder miss his last 2 punches in his combination.

          And sure, Molina also got stopped. But Wilder needed 9 rounds to finish off a glass jawed Molina who was already previously KO'ed twice in the first round alone. So what if Wilder stopped Molina? He was supposed to stop him anyway. But the fact that he took that long and that many punches, and still couldn't keep Molina down, exposes Wilder's power and offensive skills to be lacking.

          Referee prematurely stopping Wilder's fight against Duhaupas is supposed to prove what exactly? That Wilder needs gift stoppages and referee help to win, when his power gets exposed?

          Can you post just one, and I mean just one knockdown Wilder inflicted on Duhaupas? I'll wait!

          It may shock you to learn that I don't think as highly of Usyk, or rate him as highly as you think I do. It just happens to be that I rate Wilder even lower and think even less of him.

          Joshua also ABSOLUTELY destroys Wilder! And I don't rate Joshua too highly either. But when Wilder is going life and death against a clown like Duhaupas, 11 rounds, having his eye nearly shut, and failing to even drop this Duhaupas, then his chances of beating Joshua who is superior to Duhaupas in EVERY department doesn't look too good.

          Both Usyk and Joshua would be favorites to beat Wilder. And beating Wilder alone, wouldn't even be much of an impressive accomplishment for either Usyk or Joshua.

          And before you state "Wilder sparks Usyk and Joshua DOE DOE DOE". Why didn't Wilder 'spark' Duhaupas in 11 rounds then? Where was the knockdown? The same Duhaupas who is inferior to Joshua or Usyk.
          I think you put your point, opinion and case in an educated manner. Usyk as of now has a better chance at beating Wilder than Szpilka/Duhaupas had when they fought.

          Personally i think Usyk needs 2/3 fights at HW before he goes up against the bigger names at that weight. If people cannot discuss boxing in an objective manner without acting like females or twisting other people words then thats on them.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity
            I'm not sure why you are being so emotional with your responses? Or feel the need to give such emotional responses? You INITIALLY responded to a comment of mine, and I'm just responding to you in return. That's all!

            Yes, of course it is my opinion! Just like it is your opinion when you claim Usyk has no chance of beating Wilder. Difference is, my opinion is an educated one, based on facts. Whilst your opinion is baseless.

            Sure, they got stopped. But Wilder didn't stop Duhaupas. The referee prematurely stopped the fight
            Your long responses are careless and repetitive...and this Duhaupus garbage that you're making your cry baby sticking point is about as terribly clueless as it gets. And you you wait d days to respond using your other alts. The argument is over. You believe that Usyk and Joshua can beat Wilder. That's your opinion and there is nothing educated about it. Joshua's ****** ass is scared of Wilder...and Usyk is too small for Wilder. That's my facts and my opinion.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Ray*
              I think you put your point, opinion and case in an educated manner.

              If people cannot discuss boxing in an objective manner without acting like females or twisting other people words then thats on them.
              This is ****en hilarious. Alts be damned!!! Hahahahahahahaha

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                #27
                Originally posted by Raggamuffin
                Your long responses are careless and repetitive...and this Duhaupus garbage that you're making your cry baby sticking point is about as terribly clueless as it gets. And you you wait d days to respond using your other alts. The argument is over. You believe that Usyk and Joshua can beat Wilder. That's your opinion and there is nothing educated about it. Joshua's ****** ass is scared of Wilder...and Usyk is too small for Wilder. That's my facts and my opinion.
                If you're so confident that I'm an alt, then why don't you just take a permanent ban bet to prove your point? Are you willing to do it?

                I initially didn't even claim that Usyk would beat Wilder. I merely pointed out, that the idea that Usyk has no chance against Wilder, is preposterous. And that somehow caused you to go all emotional and all into your feelings. Your behavior is that of a little child, and / or a girl.

                I believe Joshua can beat Wilder, BASED on the success Duhaupas had against Wilder stylistically. That's an educated belief. Since Joshua is bigger than Duhaupas, and is also better in EVERY department. These are just facts!

                You claim Usyk is too small for Wilder, even though Wilder weighed the same as what Usyk usually weighs in fight night, during his last fight. Wilder weighed below 215 pounds in in his last fight. That's how much Usyk weighs in fight night during his fights.

                And you're also forgetting to mention that if Wilder is bigger than Usyk in size, and that therefore Wilder beats Usyk, then Joshua is EVEN BIGGER than Wilder (and Usyk). Are you now going to mention size advantage doesn't matter all of a sudden now? ROFLMAO! You need to make your mind up little one!

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Raggamuffin
                  This is ****en hilarious. Alts be damned!!! Hahahahahahahaha
                  No need for you to act all emotional. The guy was trying to be objective, he gave his reasons. You just came in with emotional rant, emojis etc Not everyone is going to pick Wilder to win every fight.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity
                    If you're so confident that I'm an alt, then why don't you just take a permanent ban bet to prove your point? Are you willing to do it?

                    I initially didn't even claim that Usyk would beat Wilder. I merely pointed out, that the idea that Usyk has no chance against Wilder, is preposterous. And that somehow caused you to go all emotional and all into your feelings. Your behavior is that of a little child, and / or a girl.

                    I believe Joshua can beat Wilder, BASED on the success Duhaupas had against Wilder stylistically. That's an educated belief. Since Joshua is bigger than Duhaupas, and is also better in EVERY department. These are just facts!

                    You claim Usyk is too small for Wilder, even though Wilder weighed the same as what Usyk usually weighs in fight night, during his last fight. Wilder weighed below 215 pounds in in his last fight. That's how much Usyk weighs in fight night during his fights.

                    And you're also forgetting to mention that if Wilder is bigger than Usyk in size, and that therefore Wilder beats Usyk, then Joshua is EVEN BIGGER than Wilder (and Usyk). Are you now going to mention size advantage doesn't matter all of a sudden now? ROFLMAO! You need to make your mind up little one!
                    The guy is proving himself to be a Wilder fanatic. These guys aren't guy you can discuss with in a rational way. Am an ALT since 2005 according to him.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity
                      If you're so confident that I'm an alt, then why don't you just take a permanent ban bet to prove your point? Are you willing to do it?

                      I initially didn't even claim that Usyk would beat Wilder. I merely pointed out, that the idea that Usyk has no chance against Wilder, is preposterous. And that somehow caused you to go all emotional and all into your feelings. Your behavior is that of a little child, and / or a girl.

                      I believe Joshua can beat Wilder, BASED on the success Duhaupas had against Wilder stylistically. That's an educated belief. Since Joshua is bigger than Duhaupas, and is also better in EVERY department. These are just facts!

                      You claim Usyk is too small for Wilder, even though Wilder weighed the same as what Usyk usually weighs in fight night, during his last fight. Wilder weighed below 215 pounds in in his last fight. That's how much Usyk weighs in fight night during his fights.

                      And you're also forgetting to mention that if Wilder is bigger than Usyk in size, and that therefore Wilder beats Usyk, then Joshua is EVEN BIGGER than Wilder (and Usyk). Are you now going to mention size advantage doesn't matter all of a sudden ? ROFLMAO! You need to make your mind up little one!
                      Just when you thought that !?#%?! couldn’t get any worse hahahahahahaha...

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