Luis Ortiz: Anthony Joshua es una gallina (chicken)

[champion4ever]

You claim your nonsense is fact, then concede that AJ did in fact look more impressive against Molina?

As I say, you're completely deranged. The sad fact is you don't actually see it. That's the purest form of insanity.

Now get back to writing your usual load of laughable bollocks.

You're one funny dude Sid-Knee. We don't agree on much but I do admire your zeal, passion and ardent support for British fighters in general and for Anthony Joshua in particular.

[Tyistall]

Just in case you didn't know; Unification bouts trumps mandatory defenses mate. We could have had Wilder vs Joshua several months ago but Matchroom and Joshua don't want that work with "The Bronze Bomber". They are stalling. You know it as well as your fellow compatriots know it. It's been two years now and a Wilder vs Joshua fight is nowhere in sight.

Seriously are you ******ed or slow or something? HEARN AND AJ HAVE SENT AT LEAST 3 CONTRACTS TO WILDER AND HIS TEAM. WILDER COULD HAVE MADE MORE IN ONE FIGHT WITH AJ THEN HE'S MADE IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER BUT HE WOULDN'T SIGN. Damn man, stop being ****** and open your eyes. It's Wilder's side that ****ed up here. He's yelling that AJ is ducking, while he has a signed contract sitting on his living room table hahahaha. And idiots like you keep buying it.

[champion4ever]

Seriously are you ******ed or slow or something? HEARN AND AJ HAVE SENT AT LEAST 3 CONTRACTS TO WILDER AND HIS TEAM. WILDER COULD HAVE MADE MORE IN ONE FIGHT WITH AJ THEN HE'S MADE IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER BUT HE WOULDN'T SIGN. Damn man, stop being ****** and open your eyes. It's Wilder's side that ****ed up here. He's yelling that AJ is ducking, while he has a signed contract sitting on his living room table hahahaha. And idiots like you keep buying it.

If you are speaking of that original $15mil flat fee contract. Well that ship has sailed. As a matter of fact, they can fun with that by shoving it up their asses. Now it's either a 50/50 split, a guarantee and a double rematch clause. Other than that, then they can go to Hell. There's no fight and no deal.

[Tyistall]

If you are speaking of that original $15mil flat fee contract. Well that ship has sailed. As a matter of fact, they can fun with that by shoving it up their asses. Now it's either a 50/50 split, a guarantee and a double rematch clause. Other than that, then they can go to Hell. There's no fight and no deal.

Hahahahah OK then Wilder can go back to fighting in front of half sold high school gyms and he can make 1 million per fight, if he's lucky hahahah. I'm sure Hearn and AJ will just wait until he loses to grab that WBC belt. Beggars can't be choosers and Wilder is an idiot for not taking the 15 million OR the improved offers that he got. Now he gets nothing and he may lose to Fury and really get nothing hahahah he's an idiot and his fans are even bigger idiots

[champion4ever]

Hahahahah OK then Wilder can go back to fighting in front of half sold high school gyms and he can make 1 million per fight, if he's lucky hahahah. I'm sure Hearn and AJ will just wait until he loses to grab that WBC belt. Beggars can't be choosers and Wilder is an idiot for not taking the 15 million OR the improved offers that he got. Now he gets nothing and he may lose to Fury and really get nothing hahahah he's an idiot and his fans are even bigger idiots

Wilder has done just fine for himself thank you very much. He has earned more money than either you or me in his entire career and lifetime.

[Tyistall]

Wilder has done just fine for himself thank you very much. He has earned more money than either you or me in his entire career and lifetime.

Yeah but he hasn't earned respect. He has one belt and he has devalued that belt since he won it by beating bums and not challenging himself. He's turned down 15 million to fight AJ, 7 million to fight Whyte all to fight Fury for about 2 million if he is lucky. The fight is selling so bad right now that Groupon is helping to sell tickets. And only 8k tickets have been sold inside the arena. He was afraid to fight Klitschko when Wlad was still fighting. He's never fought Parker, Miller or anyone in the top 25 right now other than an old Ortiz who was almost 40 and on heart medication hahahaha. Yet you idolize this fraud. Damn shame

[Marchegiano]

Aah come on man you was doing well.

Not willing to research the reasons and timings of why and all that but AJ had to pay Martin to get in the ring to step to him from what I've heard. Also the facts still remains AJ has fought far better opposition and taken far more risks, far earlier in his career than Wilder. There not really a test left that he hasn't passed apart from Wilder and the smart money would be on AJ as I'm sure the bookies would agree.

Ortiz is hardly TBE with a large but insignificant amatuer record, way past prime, not saying he isn't dangerous just he was not expected to win at that level. So Wilder is still an uncertainty in my humble opinion and draws more of a resemblance to Bowe having that one name on his resume.

Surely you don't think either Wilder or AJ are scared to fight each other? From what I've made out so far is both sides stalling the fight for business reasons aka marinating the worst word fan to hear, nails on a chalkboard.

Mister Teller you have a talent for straight shooting and putting others in a position that motivates them to drop the bull****. I am impressed.

That said, I do not buck against boxing's xenophobic nature. It's there by design not chance and has always been. I see it as a matter of tradition. So, yeah, sometimes I am a bit exaggerated with my antagonism, but, that does not discount the point I raised.

It's ok that you'd rather not look up what went on and simply believe Eddie as he changes narrative. That's what Eddie is banking on. The general laziness of fans, no offense.

I'll give you some snippets:


Charles Martin has offered Anthony Joshua a shot at the IBF title. Martin even tweeted this week that Joshua was afraid to fight him, he confirmed this to us and that the title shot is currently on the table and it is up to Joshua’s team on whether the fight happens or not:

“We put it out there, if his team doesn’t want to take the fight then that’s that. I want to face the best guys, everyone is saying that he’s the best. He’s a gold medalist and they are saying he’s not ready. I’m world champion but he’s a gold medalist – how can you not be ready? If you got all kinds of hype behind you then I want to fight you. I’m not here to fight bums, everyone is saying this kid is the next big thing, well, I want to fight him. I’m hearing his name in everybody’s mouth, he has some stature behind him. Why wouldn’t I want to fight him as my first defence? I’m giving him a title shot so let’s get on with it.”

Boxing can be heated at the best of times and fighter’s can be very personal in the build-up to a fight, but when it comes to Charles Martin and Anthony Joshua, Martin has no bad blood. He says it’s just boxing:

”I’ve never met the kid, I’ve no bad blood towards him, it’s the sport of boxing. Right now I only see it being Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury and two of them have mandatory fights so I want to fight Joshua. They wanted to do an eliminator with Carlos Takam but why doesn’t he just fight me? I’m giving him a title shot right now. I’m not being the bad guy, I’m giving him a title shot.”


"We've reached out to Joshua's people," promoter Leon Margules has been quoted as saying by ******.com. "I think there's interest on their side but I just don't know if they think they're ready yet.

"They know they have a kid they're holding back. I think it's a fight that can be made if they think they're ready.

"We'd go to England if there is a fight. The kid is a superstar over there. Everyone is saying he's the second coming, so let's find out."

It was Martin who called out Joshua and it was Team Martin who kept pressure on that fight happening.

Team Joshua had to be talked into fighting Charles Martin....also you should be su****ious of Takam's willingness to be Hearn's bargaining chip and go to alternative.


The fact does remain that Joshua has taken more risks and does have a better resume, but that can't be used as an excuse to plaster over any reasoning presented. Joshua has a history of avoiding is just as much a fact as Joshua has a better resume. Both are true.

So when talking willingness to fight one another Joshua hasn't shown much. He's been hesitant and apprehensive while others come to him. Wilder by contrast has literally shouted for years while others go to Josh.

Mysteriously it isn't until after Wilder starts being put in the mix that Team Joshua finds a reason to fight Martin. stuff like this:

Doubtful this will kill any rumors. But remember, this is @BronzeBomber's promoter. Keep on thinking, guys. https://t.co/2Z2G574jWF

— Deontay Wilder News (@BrnzBomberNews) February 6, 2016

Joshua didn't want to fight Martin because Joshua was scared of being champion and being pressured to fight the other champions. It's only after they realize that if they fight Takam they open up time for Haymon to set up Wilder-Martin. AJ-Takam would have been for an IBF elim. Had Wilder taken Martin's belt while Joshua took Carlos's mandatory position then Joshua would be forced to fight Wilder where as, as a champion, he does not have to make any unification in any amount of time.





The rest of your post, I am not real sure what any of it has to do with anything. Ortiz doesn't need a resume for Joshua to be scared of Wilder. His being a fighter and a champion do not in anyway reflect a lack of fear. It's emotion, it does not require sense. Mike Tyson spoke a lot about being scared of the other guy.

Also, that's one hell of a marination. Basically Joshua's entire pro career. He started fighting Wilder leftovers in 2015. This isn't marination it's avoiding. Joshua fought Gavern for the same reason Povetkin fought Wlad's leftovers. That is how you gain position while avoiding trouble.

Joshua's belts do not make him number one in every facet of the sport. When it comes to fear, hesitation, apprehensiveness, and a general healthy respect for the opponent Joshua has shown plenty. Wilder wins this one. Wilder has shown no fear.

[uppercut510]

lol these threads are full of grown men insulting eachother all day over other men. I get it sometimes it happens but damn, this is too much.

[REDEEMER]

Mister Teller you have a talent for straight shooting and putting others in a position that motivates them to drop the bull****. I am impressed.

That said, I do not buck against boxing's xenophobic nature. It's there by design not chance and has always been. I see it as a matter of tradition. So, yeah, sometimes I am a bit exaggerated with my antagonism, but, that does not discount the point I raised.

It's ok that you'd rather not look up what went on and simply believe Eddie as he changes narrative. That's what Eddie is banking on. The general laziness of fans, no offense.

I'll give you some snippets:


Charles Martin has offered Anthony Joshua a shot at the IBF title. Martin even tweeted this week that Joshua was afraid to fight him, he confirmed this to us and that the title shot is currently on the table and it is up to Joshua’s team on whether the fight happens or not:

“We put it out there, if his team doesn’t want to take the fight then that’s that. I want to face the best guys, everyone is saying that he’s the best. He’s a gold medalist and they are saying he’s not ready. I’m world champion but he’s a gold medalist – how can you not be ready? If you got all kinds of hype behind you then I want to fight you. I’m not here to fight bums, everyone is saying this kid is the next big thing, well, I want to fight him. I’m hearing his name in everybody’s mouth, he has some stature behind him. Why wouldn’t I want to fight him as my first defence? I’m giving him a title shot so let’s get on with it.”

Boxing can be heated at the best of times and fighter’s can be very personal in the build-up to a fight, but when it comes to Charles Martin and Anthony Joshua, Martin has no bad blood. He says it’s just boxing:

”I’ve never met the kid, I’ve no bad blood towards him, it’s the sport of boxing. Right now I only see it being Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury and two of them have mandatory fights so I want to fight Joshua. They wanted to do an eliminator with Carlos Takam but why doesn’t he just fight me? I’m giving him a title shot right now. I’m not being the bad guy, I’m giving him a title shot.”


"We've reached out to Joshua's people," promoter Leon Margules has been quoted as saying by ******.com. "I think there's interest on their side but I just don't know if they think they're ready yet.

"They know they have a kid they're holding back. I think it's a fight that can be made if they think they're ready.

"We'd go to England if there is a fight. The kid is a superstar over there. Everyone is saying he's the second coming, so let's find out."

It was Martin who called out Joshua and it was Team Martin who kept pressure on that fight happening.

Team Joshua had to be talked into fighting Charles Martin....also you should be su****ious of Takam's willingness to be Hearn's bargaining chip and go to alternative.


The fact does remain that Joshua has taken more risks and does have a better resume, but that can't be used as an excuse to plaster over any reasoning presented. Joshua has a history of avoiding is just as much a fact as Joshua has a better resume. Both are true.

So when talking willingness to fight one another Joshua hasn't shown much. He's been hesitant and apprehensive while others come to him. Wilder by contrast has literally shouted for years while others go to Josh.

Mysteriously it isn't until after Wilder starts being put in the mix that Team Joshua finds a reason to fight Martin. stuff like this:

Doubtful this will kill any rumors. But remember, this is @BronzeBomber's promoter. Keep on thinking, guys. https://t.co/2Z2G574jWF

— Deontay Wilder News (@BrnzBomberNews) February 6, 2016

Joshua didn't want to fight Martin because Joshua was scared of being champion and being pressured to fight the other champions. It's only after they realize that if they fight Takam they open up time for Haymon to set up Wilder-Martin. AJ-Takam would have been for an IBF elim. Had Wilder taken Martin's belt while Joshua took Carlos's mandatory position then Joshua would be forced to fight Wilder where as, as a champion, he does not have to make any unification in any amount of time.





The rest of your post, I am not real sure what any of it has to do with anything. Ortiz doesn't need a resume for Joshua to be scared of Wilder. His being a fighter and a champion do not in anyway reflect a lack of fear. It's emotion, it does not require sense. Mike Tyson spoke a lot about being scared of the other guy.

Also, that's one hell of a marination. Basically Joshua's entire pro career. He started fighting Wilder leftovers in 2015. This isn't marination it's avoiding. Joshua fought Gavern for the same reason Povetkin fought Wlad's leftovers. That is how you gain position while avoiding trouble.

Joshua's belts do not make him number one in every facet of the sport. When it comes to fear, hesitation, apprehensiveness, and a general healthy respect for the opponent Joshua has shown plenty. Wilder wins this one. Wilder has shown no fear.

Martin did demand a high purse to fight Joshua , Martin is doing nothing different then Wilder is except offering a belt while Joshua didn't have one while putting out fake news. Hearn was trying to get Takam for April 9th before Martin was in picture again you would know this if you followed the sport but again posted a book report of dumbness ...Fights just don't happen overnight Hearn was talking with Haymon and Martin's team not long before he issued a challenge to Joshua so nothing you posted as usual adds up to the narrative you push on here.

EDit: Wilder could not fight Martin because Povetkin was his mandatory and the reason Hearn was not in a rush to collect a title was it limits the amount of fighters to what they think would help Joshua progress better, you wouldn't know this and a must be trolling to detract Joshuas 15 fight career in 2015. Get a grip.

[Squ□redCircle34]

King Kong Ortiz calling out AJ for a proper fight once again and of course the UK Chumpion puppet will keep quiet until his mouthpiece Edwards Hearns as always will open his just to hear himself talk but of course more contradictions coming up!


It’s like AJ is Pinocchio and Hearns is Jimmney Cricket !

Both Lillian Whyte and Anthony Johnson want no smoke with Ortiz!