This guy is supposed to challenge AJ and Wilder?

[Cutthroat]

Hw loaded? The guys at hw aren't anything special, they just have a massive size/power advantage over usyk. I'm not sure anyone is expecting him to be a great hw, but he has nothing left to accomplish at cw. Props to him if he has the balls to make that move.

If they were all just massive with power they'd all look like Brezeale, Wach, Duhaupas, Grant etc. there is a clear difference in the top guys and those guys.

Wilder was knocking Ortiz down with jabs, rocking him with counters from weird ass angles, he manages distance extremely well and can be very difficult to hit in general. It's not like he just goes in there head first and starts swinging.

It's not like Usyk is some small guy at cruiser either, he's held physical advantages to practically every fighter he's fought. His power literally bailed him out against Bellew.

And the 1 guy he did fight was literally what you described as 1 dimensional in Gassiev, who literally stood in front of Lebedev all night and traded with him to a split decision.

[Cutthroat]

Lmao I’ve heard it all now. Heavy is stacked and Cruiser isn’t s very good division, were dropped on your head at birth ?

Show me where there are borderline top 10 cruisers breaking into the top 5 at HW like Bellew+Vlasov did when they moved up from LHW. Because all I've seen in the past few years is every single cruiser fail.


Show me the equivalent at HW of a top 3 guy like Glowacki going life and death with a 6-0 fighter. Show me where a nobody like Noel Gevor is beating the #2 guy in the division like he did Briedis.

Prove to me HW isn't better than cruiser because all the evidence points to cruiser being faaar weaker.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Show me where there are borderline top 10 cruisers breaking into the top 5 at HW like Bellew+Vlasov did when they moved up from LHW. Because all I've seen in the past few years is every single cruiser fail.


Show me the equivalent at HW of a top 3 guy like Glowacki going life and death with a 6-0 fighter. Show me where a nobody like Noel Gevor is beating the #2 guy in the division like he did Briedis.

Prove to me HW isn't better than cruiser because all the evidence points to cruiser being faaar weaker.

I won’t do either but I’m sure you’d want to tell us how great cruiser ahd Usyk are/were if Ward came to the party to attempt to test himself against the division king.

It actually saddens me you’re a fan of Ward knowing how lowly you’re received on the forum, the way in which other Ward supporters are held reflects badly on guys like myself because of fückwits like yourself.

[Jewish-Reptile]

And that’s it folks! How many more fights till y’all learn usyk is a slow starter don’t get excited.

I was disappointed last night with Usyk knew to at least expect a slow start but he really allowed Bellew to hang in there longer than he needed or could have if he’d started in the first as opposed to what I saw as the third when he really started to assert himself and back Bellew up hunting him.

[champion4ever]

I've seen Bellew by the time he signed the Usyk fight -- he was quite fat...

Bellew gave all he had in the first 6 rounds...

You are absolutely correct. Usyk carried Bellew out of respect for him. He could've have ended the fight anytime he so pleased but chose the second half of the fight instead.

[MDPopescu]

You are absolutely correct. Usyk carried Bellew out of respect for him. He could've have ended the fight anytime he so pleased but chose the second half of the fight instead.

... I really don't know... but Usyk did throw much less than he usually does...

[Jsmooth9876]

Andre Ward could always come out of "retirement" to fight him if he wants a challenge.

He would get out boxed and stopped but why not if the money is right.

[Ray*]

You really don’t know much about boxing. I could tell from the way you couldn’t even analyse that fight. Another 2/3 fights and he beats both AJ and Wilder .

[champion4ever]

... I really don't know... but Usyk did throw much less than he usually does...

The one thing I do know for certain, is that Tony Belllew was a huge betting underdog going into this fight and he yet he exceed expectations. No one gave him much chance of winning this fight. However had he scored the upset, then it would have been then biggest upset on British soil since Ricky Hatton defeated Kostya Tszyu way back in 2005.

[Ray*]

... I really don't know... but Usyk did throw much less than he usually does...

He didn’t carry Bellew, he had to be aware of Bellew early on. His left was being blocked by Bellew, so he started looping his left hand. He broke Bellew down but by bit and stalked him until he had no where else to go. Usyk foot work was amazing last night, he just need to have one or two fights at HW first IMHO, he already has the edge over all of them in brains (Ring generalship).