Why do people talk differently about Spence-Mikey than they do about Mikey-Loma?

[Boxing Logic]

They're both the same thing. When Mikey-Loma was first being marinated, Loma was at featherweight, Mikey was at lightweight, a two division difference. When Spence-Mikey first started being built up, Mikey was at lightweight, Spence was at welterweight, two divisions apart. More recently as both fights have been talked about more, Loma moved up to 130, one division below Mikey, and Mikey moved up to 140 for two fights, one division below Spence.

It's the exact same thing. And when you compare actual natural size, the size difference between Loma and Mikey is much bigger than the size difference between Mikey and Spence. Mikey was sparring Maidana at Oxnard like 5 years ago back when he was weight bullying at featherweight. Recently at the start of his Lipinets camp he said he weighed 170 pounds. Loma recently at the start of his said he weighed 143, and that's after he bulked up in the time since Mikey-Lipinets. If you compare at the time, it's probably 170 to 140 flat, which is a 30 pound difference. So unless Spence starts camp at 200 lbs or more, which in this day and age of weight bullies is actually possible but quite unlikely, then the size advantage Mikey has over Loma is actually bigger than the size advantage Spence has over Mikey. That Loma would likely still be favored over Mikey, and that Loma-Mikey is seen as a legitimate fight despite the massive size difference but Mikey-Spence isn't, I think says a lot about the fans and the media's understanding of who the best fighter is in that trio, even the ones who won't admit it consciously. But to act like Mikey-Loma is a legitimate fight, when there is actually 30 pounds in natural size separating the two, or maybe 20 at minimum on Loma's heaviest day and Mikey's lightest, seems to suggest that either Loma is superman, or Mikey is overrated. Because that is an INSANE amount of weight at the low weights, and pretty much an unheard of amount to give up (in natural size, not necessarily ring weight) against a top P4P power counterpunching opponent.

[Larry the boss]

Mikey and Loma were champs in the same division...did you scream about the size difference when Loma fought Rigo?? or did you class it as a huge win?

[Robbie Barrett]

Whatever suits their agenda.

Similar to people saying Whyte ducked Ortiz even though both did the exact same thing.

Both agreed to fight through media.
Both went silent after.
Both signed to fight other fighters.

But people claim Whyte is ducking and Ortiz isn't. Makes no sense.

[Scipio2009]

They're both the same thing. When Mikey-Loma was first being marinated, Loma was at featherweight, Mikey was at lightweight, a two division difference. When Spence-Mikey first started being built up, Mikey was at lightweight, Spence was at welterweight, two divisions apart. More recently as both fights have been talked about more, Loma moved up to 130, one division below Mikey, and Mikey moved up to 140 for two fights, one division below Spence.

It's the exact same thing. And when you compare actual natural size, the size difference between Loma and Mikey is much bigger than the size difference between Mikey and Spence. Mikey was sparring Maidana at Oxnard like 5 years ago back when he was weight bullying at featherweight. Recently at the start of his Lipinets camp he said he weighed 170 pounds. Loma recently at the start of his said he weighed 143, and that's after he bulked up in the time since Mikey-Lipinets. If you compare at the time, it's probably 170 to 140 flat, which is a 30 pound difference. So unless Spence starts camp at 200 lbs or more, which in this day and age of weight bullies is actually possible but quite unlikely, then the size advantage Mikey has over Loma is actually bigger than the size advantage Spence has over Mikey. That Loma would likely still be favored over Mikey, and that Loma-Mikey is seen as a legitimate fight despite the massive size difference but Mikey-Spence isn't, I think says a lot about the fans and the media's understanding of who the best fighter is in that trio, even the ones who won't admit it consciously. But to act like Mikey-Loma is a legitimate fight, when there is actually 30 pounds in natural size separating the two, or maybe 20 at minimum on Loma's heaviest day and Mikey's lightest, seems to suggest that either Loma is superman, or Mikey is overrated. Because that is an INSANE amount of weight at the low weights, and pretty much an unheard of amount to give up (in natural size, not necessarily ring weight) against a top P4P power counterpunching opponent.

Except it's not though; Errol Spence Jr can potentially end up middleweight when he's done moving up, while 147lbs is likely it for Mikey and 140 is likely it for Lomachenko.

Why lie?

[dibzvincent143]

They're both the same thing. When Mikey-Loma was first being marinated, Loma was at featherweight, Mikey was at lightweight, a two division difference. When Spence-Mikey first started being built up, Mikey was at lightweight, Spence was at welterweight, two divisions apart. More recently as both fights have been talked about more, Loma moved up to 130, one division below Mikey, and Mikey moved up to 140 for two fights, one division below Spence.

It's the exact same thing. And when you compare actual natural size, the size difference between Loma and Mikey is much bigger than the size difference between Mikey and Spence. Mikey was sparring Maidana at Oxnard like 5 years ago back when he was weight bullying at featherweight. Recently at the start of his Lipinets camp he said he weighed 170 pounds. Loma recently at the start of his said he weighed 143, and that's after he bulked up in the time since Mikey-Lipinets. If you compare at the time, it's probably 170 to 140 flat, which is a 30 pound difference. So unless Spence starts camp at 200 lbs or more, which in this day and age of weight bullies is actually possible but quite unlikely, then the size advantage Mikey has over Loma is actually bigger than the size advantage Spence has over Mikey. That Loma would likely still be favored over Mikey, and that Loma-Mikey is seen as a legitimate fight despite the massive size difference but Mikey-Spence isn't, I think says a lot about the fans and the media's understanding of who the best fighter is in that trio, even the ones who won't admit it consciously. But to act like Mikey-Loma is a legitimate fight, when there is actually 30 pounds in natural size separating the two, or maybe 20 at minimum on Loma's heaviest day and Mikey's lightest, seems to suggest that either Loma is superman, or Mikey is overrated. Because that is an INSANE amount of weight at the low weights, and pretty much an unheard of amount to give up (in natural size, not necessarily ring weight) against a top P4P power counterpunching opponent.

Loma and mikey are currently on the same weight class. A fight between them would be for unification. That alone disregards all the past issues as what’s important is what’s happening now.
Did it happen when loma was at feather? No right.
Hell it’s not even easy to make even if they’re at the same weight.
Does the fight with spence possibly happen at WW while Mikey is still a champ at lightweight? Yes possibly early next year.
So til none of the fights happen they’re not even comparable at the present situation.

[Larry the boss]

Whatever suits their agenda.

Similar to people saying Whyte ducked Ortiz even though both did the exact same thing.

Both agreed to fight through media.
Both went silent after.
Both signed to fight other fighters.

But people claim Whyte is ducking and Ortiz isn't. Makes no sense.

amazing you left out the part where Hearn clearly said"CHISORA IS THE FAVORITE TO GET THE FIGHT"

[deanrw]

The size difference between Loma and Mikey is small. They are near the same natural size. The only difference is Mikey likes to pig out between fights and gains weight while Loma stays near fighting weight.


Mikey might be slightly larger, maybe 1 weight class larger. 5-6 pounds is not significant. Loma is more a natural 130 pounder and Mikey is more of a natural 135 pounder.

[Robbie Barrett]

amazing you left out the part where Hearn clearly said"CHISORA IS THE FAVORITE TO GET THE FIGHT"

They both did the exact same thing.

Hearn says lots of things. Does that mean Ortiz shouldn't attempt to make a fight? He went completely silent after claiming he'd fight on the 22nd, he was the first to sign a different fight too. If Ortiz wanted that fight he and his promoter would be telling the media that Whyte ducked. They aren't because they didn't want it.

Double standards Larry. You cry about double standards and act like you're neutral. You aren't, you're biased and you know you are.

[Larry the boss]

They both did the exact same thing.

Hearn says lots of things. Does that mean Ortiz shouldn't attempt to make a fight? He went completely silent after claiming he'd fight on the 22nd, he was the first to sign a different fight too. If Ortiz wanted that fight he and his promoter would be telling the media that Whyte ducked. They aren't because they didn't want it.

Double standards Larry. You cry about double standards and act like you're neutral. You aren't, you're biased and you know you are.

went silent??? Hearn said who was next..PERIOD

[Robbie Barrett]

went silent??? Hearn said who was next..PERIOD

Yes Ortiz and his team went silent, signed another fight and are still silent. If they attempted to fight Whyte they'd be telling everyone.

No he didn't Larry, he said Chisora was frontrunner. He's also said that about Wilder, does that mean Wilder is next, you claim that's bs. You choose not to believe him about Wilder but do about Chisora, why? Because it suits what you want to believe, you're biased and have double standards.