How good is Anatoly Lomachenko?

[Marchegiano]

I don't mean to take anything away from Poppachenko, but we are coming off the K2 era. It seems as much a statement by the nation as it does the trainer. Ukraine and Ukrainian boxing is clearly no flash in the pan. The K2 era was no anomaly but a sign of things to come.

To me Lomachenko cemented Ukraine's position as a major boxing nation.

The Ukraine currently owns nine title including ring titles.

For some perspective let's look at Mexico, one of the long time majors in boxing. 9 as well.

How about the UK? Home of the revival has 10 if I'm not mistaken. Close race that.

We call guys like Ali world champions but Ali didn't defend his title against soviets. Today is more global than boxing has ever been and it's super cool that more states, like Ukraine, are finding a place and proving their staying power.

Glad to have y'all around. Glad to have Poppachenko learnin' fools out to hurt other fools, and excited to see what the Ukraine has in it's back pocket next.

[Citizen Koba]

I would say the "mature" fighter would be the one to blame in this situation if he can't adapt

Naw. I'm not sure blame is the right word to use, though there is a truism that says the failure of the student is always the failure of the teacher - but anyway it's theoretical because as far as I know Anatoly is not attempting to train anyone else. I'm merely observing that it might take a different skillset as a trainer to adapt to different styles that you've not had a hand in developing yourself. If you look at most top trainers they're working with all kinds of different fighters from all kinds of nationalities and boxing backgrounds, and the best trainers should bring out the best qualities in all the fighters they work with. To date Anatoly has not really demonstrated his capacity to do this in the pro ranks although that does not mean he wouldn't be able to.

What Anatoly has achieved with Loma and to a lesser extent guys like Usyk and Gvozdyk is nothing short of remarkable, but it doesn't lessen him to observe that he's not (yet) shown the ability to achieve the same results with fighters that didn't come through the Ukrainian amateur system.

[Commie]

Some years ago people were saying JD Jackson is the real deal
Then it was Abel Sanchez
Now it is "batya" Lomachenko
He is definitely a great trainer but that doesn't mean he can perform miracles

[boliodogs]

He is a damn good coach judging by the skills of his fighter.

[Derranged]

Seriously. How did that idiot trainer not know Salido wouldn't make weight or be deducted points for low blows? I'm pretty sure those stipulations were in the contract. Even more absurd, one of the judges actually scored that fight for Lomachenko. Seriously?

Loma was holding doe!

[BoxingIsGreat]

Seriously. How did that idiot trainer not know Salido wouldn't make weight or be deducted points for low blows? I'm pretty sure those stipulations were in the contract. Even more absurd, one of the judges actually scored that fight for Lomachenko. Seriously?

First of all, they can't whine about the weight after accepting it going into the fight. That's a pretty bitch move. I don't respect fighters who do that. If you gonna complain later, don't agree to it in the first place.

Second, there's something called adjustment. As a good trainer or fighter, you go to plan B, even C. One way is to hit him back low and get dirty with him right away or even a round later. Another is to use superb defense, or even average defense, for someone like Salido.

14 fighters have found a way to beat Salido. 14 losses is the record of a classic journeyman. Whatever happened to the Matrix?

Finally, someone like Salido shouldn't have touched him for a fighter as overhyped as Loma. The new God of some fans. He better blow Pedraza out of the water!

Others can add more things that could have been done.

[eco1]

Naw. I'm not sure blame is the right word to use, though there is a truism that says the failure of the student is always the failure of the teacher - but anyway it's theoretical because as far as I know Anatoly is not attempting to train anyone else. I'm merely observing that it might take a different skillset as a trainer to adapt to different styles that you've not had a hand in developing yourself. If you look at most top trainers they're working with all kinds of different fighters from all kinds of nationalities and boxing backgrounds, and the best trainers should bring out the best qualities in all the fighters they work with. To date Anatoly has not really demonstrated his capacity to do this in the pro ranks although that does not mean he wouldn't be able to.

What Anatoly has achieved with Loma and to a lesser extent guys like Usyk and Gvozdyk is nothing short of remarkable, but it doesn't lessen him to observe that he's not (yet) shown the ability to achieve the same results with fighters that didn't come through the Ukrainian amateur system.

I understand where u are coming from! Good point!

[Real King Kong]

Seriously. How did that idiot trainer not know Salido wouldn't make weight or be deducted points for low blows? I'm pretty sure those stipulations were in the contract. Even more absurd, one of the judges actually scored that fight for Lomachenko. Seriously?

It probably wasn't in his plan for loma to put salido on ***** street in the 12th either...that would just get salido sympathy from the judges.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

He is a great trainer. I wish he trained more fighters, not that many, because there just isn't that much time for so many fighters.
If it was up to me he would be training V. Lomachenko, Usyk, and Yeleussinov.
A talented guy like Yeleussinov would be even better with someone like Anatoly in his corner.
Since Gvozdyk is a good friend he would also be training with them, but Anatoly just wants to focus on his son which is understandable.

The Ukrainian amateur system hasn't been good since he left. I hope that once Vasyl's career ends the Lomachenko's start training the youth in Ukraine, at the very least locally, or Ukrainian coaches have to start adapting the Anatoly system. Something needs to happen.

[Southpawology]

Horrible trainer. Its all white privilege.