Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Reveals His List For Top 5 Pound-For-Pound

[Bardamu]

While I agree with you, you really shouldn’t be comparing Lightweights to heavyweights completely different ballgame, tbf though even a 41 y/o Wlad is way better than anyone on Garcia’s resume currently, he’s dominated everyone he’s been in with and so he should he hasn’t fought anyone elite yet, when he steps up that’s when he’ll start to have very difficult nights.

Just to show what I mean, Before Klitschko, AJ had blasted out everyone he’d fought within 7 rounds, but that’s what happens when you step up in comp, you don’t get things your own way.

That is the classic problem for fighters under 147. There isn't good enough opponents to justify a high p4p ranking. You have Loma and Mikey, then everyone else below 147 isn't elite.

Outside of Loma, who else under 147 would you give credit to Mikey for fighting? Two fights ago, Mikey fought the top 140 lber. Then his last fight he fought the #4 lw, behind only him, Loma, and Linares.

And this is why Mikey is moving up to fight Spence. Because he knows no matter who he beats below ww, that they are not elite.

That's why you gotta like Mikey. He want's to be known considered the best p4p, so he is taking the toughest challenge out there. To test himself, to try and earn a high p4p ranking. He hasn't earned it yet, mainly because of lack or opportunities to do so.

[cally93]

That is the classic problem for fighters under 147. There isn't good enough opponents to justify a high p4p ranking. You have Loma and Mikey, then everyone else below 147 isn't elite.

Outside of Loma, who else under 147 would you give credit to Mikey for fighting? Two fights ago, Mikey fought the top 140 lber. Then his last fight he fought the #4 lw, behind only him, Loma, and Linares.

And this is why Mikey is moving up to fight Spence. Because he knows no matter who he beats below ww, that they are not elite.

That's why you gotta like Mikey. He want's to be known considered the best p4p, so he is taking the toughest challenge out there. To test himself, to try and earn a high p4p ranking. He hasn't earned it yet, mainly because of lack or opportunities to do so.

Agreed, I love Garcia too (his 1-2 is &#128293 and my comment wasn’t a dig at him in the slightest, i was just mentioning the fact that he’s dominated everyone he’s fought due to the level of competition, that’s not his fault it’s due to the pool of talent (or lack of) around him.

[cally93]

We compare HW with smaller weight classes when it come to P4P credentials. What's so different from what I'm doing?

Regarding mikey's fighting difficult fights- it's clear he hasn't had any in his career, which consist of 39 fights. It's clear even now no1 135-140 can even come close to giving him a competitive fight, hence why he's going to 147, where he'll be a much smaller guy, to fave the best welterweight in the world. He has to go to these extremes to find a competitive fight.

I always thought heavyweights were disregarded when it came to P4P due to the obvious but never mind.

While I agree, there’s a certain guy at 135 who gives him a hell of a fight, and I think Josh Taylor at 140 would give him hell too, (I would still pick Mikey to win both those btw)

I think he wants a fight where if he loses it doesn’t hurt him, e.g. once Spence blasts him out he can say he was too big and simply move back down and still have plenty of options I worry physically and mentally for him after a fight like that, he’s in big trouble if his power doesn’t translate to 147.

[Dontbeahater]

Usyk is in the weakest division! He is fighting Tony bellow who lost to Adonis STEVENSON at lhw. Thats how weak the division is if this is the biggest fight in the weightclass.
Worse All the top guys look godly vs lower class talent. (ggg anyone?)

He is good but not p4p #1 or imo top 5.

[Jax teller]

Usyk is in the weakest division! He is fighting Tony bellow who lost to Adonis STEVENSON at lhw. Thats how weak the division is if this is the biggest fight in the weightclass.
Worse All the top guys look godly vs lower class talent. (ggg anyone?)

He is good but not p4p #1 or imo top 5.

Most ironic name goes to ^^^^

[Robbie Barrett]

Not convinced on Mikey.

Boxrec top15 below

1 Terence Crawford 1,091 welterweight 31
2 Saul Alvarez* 1,041 middleweight 28
3 Gennady Golovkin 814 middleweight 36
4 Vasiliy Lomachenko* 809 lightweight 30
5 Luis Nery 792 bantamweight 23
6 Wisaksil Wangek 752 super flyweight 31
7 Oleksandr Usyk* 691 cruiserweight 31
8 Anthony Joshua* 683 heavyweight 29
9 Leo Santa Cruz 672 featherweight 30
10 Callum Smith 665 super middleweight 28
11 Miguel Berchelt* 635 super featherweight 26
12 Eleider Alvarez* 598 light heavyweight 34
13 Mikey Garcia 557 lightweight 30
14 Manny Pacquiao 551 welterweight 39
15 Errol Spence Jr 550 welterweight 28

Crawford got 300 points for beating Horn WTF.

[sterilizer]

I still put Manny Paqcuiao over everybody else, having seen what he did to Mathysse recently.

His problem is having to fight opponents outside Asia. He got highway robbed with that bum Horn, he got robbed in the US vs. Bradley, he got robbed vs. Mayweather Jr. because a REAL IMPARTIAL judge would have discounted at least two points from Jr. in the early rounds for excessive hugging and not only that, Manny was denied appropriate treatment for his hand problem before and during the fight, because he was in the US.

I'd like to see Manny fight that cheating bum Mayweather Jr. in Manila, with Manny's judges, referee, commentators, punch stats providers. The cheating tactics would be gone after discounting a couple of points to the cheater. Manny has NEVER EVER used nasty cheating tactics against anyone, he is AN HONEST ACTION-PACKED AGGRESSIVE FIGHTER and that's what boxing needs and craves. His only "fault" is not being an American, that's all.

So to me, Many is #1 and then... whatever, just a bunch of mediocres. Lomachenko hasn't really been tested by a real fighter of his own level, if he convincingly defeated Mikey Garcia, he would definitely be close to Manny's level. I think if Loma went to 147 or a catch weight a bit below that to face Manny at this moment, he would get destroyed because I don't think the American referee and judges would favor any of the two aliens in Vegas, during such a fight.

[Bardamu]

Crawford got 300 points for beating Horn WTF.

There are two major flaws with BoxRec's ranking algorithm. First, is it doesn't take into account age and how faded someone is. Thus, Horn got 441 points for beating Pac. (And that is why Bummed got so many points for beating a gym teacher.)

The other is, it doesn't take into account how weak or strong any division is. Right now, 140 and 168 are weak divisions, and beating journeymen/gatekeeper type fighters can result in inflated Boxrec rankings.

Other than that though, Boxrec's formula appears to work pretty good.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

I always thought heavyweights were disregarded when it came to P4P due to the obvious but never mind.

While I agree, there’s a certain guy at 135 who gives him a hell of a fight, and I think Josh Taylor at 140 would give him hell too, (I would still pick Mikey to win both those btw)

I think he wants a fight where if he loses it doesn’t hurt him, e.g. once Spence blasts him out he can say he was too big and simply move back down and still have plenty of options I worry physically and mentally for him after a fight like that, he’s in big trouble if his power doesn’t translate to 147.

Bro. We just became best friends.

While I think Lomachenko will beat Mikey, at we can objectively agree that taking spence is just calculated high risk by Garcia. He wants that fight because it doesnt hurt him. If he loses he will definitely say it was size. But imo, that's just an excuse to not fight lomachenko.

In fighting Lomachenko he has no excuses. Losing will hurt him massively.

Fighting spence is nothing more than a safe option for him.

Look, I totally get the daring to be great aspect but if you wanted to be great you would fight Lomachenko.

Beating spence would make him great too, but bro, you didnt need to even do this.

He chose this.

Why did he choose this? Because its safe. But nobody even wants this. I don't want it. Whatever though.

[Mr.365]

im a loma fan now screw it