Comments Thread For: Jacobs' Manager Breaks Down Options of Canelo, Charlo, GGG

[Scipio2009]

If both Jacob's and Charlo are both under Haymon than why is it so difficult for them to fight? Can Haymon Not get that fight done? Are both Charlo and Jacob's ducking each other?? Is Haymon preventing these fights from happening!??!

Because every Haymon fighter, especially when they get to a certain level in their runs, ends up owning the event and dictating their own careers.

Pending anything coming up on the HBO/Matchroom Sport USA deal (every action taken by the parties involved leaves the impression that the deal has wrapped up), both have to first want the fight, the financial shares have to be agreed to, and then the event can be put together from there (location that makes the most financial sense, TV date/broadcaster that makes the most enough, enough time to market the show, etc).

The situation is entirely different elsewhere; Terence Crawford has another $3m+ payday coming to him in March/April, and that's about it as far as the decision making goes on his end. Bob Arum picks the opponent that he gets, the date that works best for him, the venue that works best for him, the TV situation that works best for him (basically signing the 360 with ESPN limits him to ESPN+ or ESPN, whichever ESPN prefers), and any other side business on the fight is only known to Arum.

Crawford is getting paid handsomely to simply fight whomever on the date that Arum gives him, but I think that that's a **** way to build legacy (and a **** way to do business, tbh, but this another conversation)

[Scipio2009]

Exactly he's not getting a percent split he's not GGG or Cotto he's getting a flat fee like guys like Khan and Chavez got when they fought Canelo. We know from the haymon lawsuit Golden Boy paid Khan a flat fee of exactly 6M. And Chavez said he was paid 7M flat fee and given 1 week to sign or they would move on. And both these guys are bigger draws then Jacobs. I think that's the ballpark we looking at 6-7M which would be more then 3X his career high. But if this idiot starts asking 10M or GGG type money pricing himself out then there will be no fight. GGG/Jacobs fight date was pushed back TWICE because of haggling over money. Canelo/Floyd/Oscar ect when the cash cow calls and makes you a offer you take that shyt or they say kick rocks and on to the next. Jacobs manager saying if the money ain't right he won't fight Canelo makes me think they think Jacobs is a bigger draw then he is and is willing to take less money to fight Charlo or GGG? LMAO

With Canelo getting his $33m on the US rights (plus his Mexico TV money, his Tecate sponsorship, etc), do you honestly think that DAZN has another $6m-$7m on offer for Canelo's opponent? The Fielding fight isn't really a good gauge of that, but I have my doubts.

If the potential offer is well below that $6m-$7m range, Jacobs is well in his right to look elsewhere.

Canelo is the cash cow, but we basically know his options for his May date now; WBO champ Andrade (only other champion with a for sure deal with DAZN, not really in position to argue money tbh) tbh, IBF champ Jacobs, the mandatory defense against Jermall, lose the WBC and fight Golovkin, lose the WBC and fight Lemieux/Munguia, potentially lose the WBC and stay at 168 (Zurdo, Callum, etc).

Charlo beats Monroe Jr to tickover, gets elevated to full WBC champion if he, Andrade or Jacobs aren't fighting Alvarez in May, and makes his first defense of the full title (hopefully in Houston) in the Spring.

Daniel Jacobs makes his own first defense in the Spring, and then you can pretty easily have Jacobs-Charlo in the Fall. Depending on what the rest of the calendar looks like, that fight may be FOXPPV.

If he's seeing a less than $5m offer from Canelo, it may make sense for him to head elsewhere.

[Scipio2009]

Jacobs just drew only 4,691 fans this weekend. And only 7K fans for his fight with Sulecki. And 6,921 fans the fight before that with Arias. Career payday was 1.75M can't draw fans in his own hometown. You will get a career payday offer of 2-3X more then you have ever made but your manager is already making money demands to Canelo and that you won't fight him if the money isn't right? I don't like the sound of that at all. Even B sides like Liam Smith made more money fighting Canelo then Jacobs makes. Jacobs has lottery ticket in his hands and his manager is saying well I don't want to pay taxes on my winnings so I don't know if I will cash it in. LMAO

All three events were put on by Eddie Hearn, though. Let's see how this Kansas City show goes, but Eddie Hearn doesn't seem to really have his finger on how to put on the events that bring folks in on this side of the Atlantic.

Lou DiBella has his pulse on how to properly run things in Brooklyn, and Jacobs is based in Brooklyn; why wouldn't Jacobs be able to draw with DiBella running the event?

If the offer really is for under $4m, Jacobs is well within his rights to look elsewhere.

[Scipio2009]

Canelo like Floyd before him offers EVERY opponent he faces a CAREER payday a payday that is literally multiple times greater then the money they can make fighting anyone else. That's the power of being the cash cow you have more money to offer your opponents. So Jacobs manager already knows it will be a career payday offer but is throwing out the qualifier unless the money is right when he knows the money is more then anyone else can offer Jacobs. When B sides start talking like this to A sides fight typically don't happen or don't happen right away. That's the fear myself and others are having today after reading these statements.

Floyd never had to cover a basically $40m nut without PPV; kinda makes this different. If Jacobs gets between what Khan/ChavezJr got and what Golovkin allegedly got, the fight gets made easily (whether that means Jacobs signs away his freedom for a he years to get the payday is another story).

If they short him, he likely looks elsewhere.

[Scipio2009]

So DJ has an Advisor, a manager, and a Promoter?

Dude must be breaking off 25% of his purses to these fools.

Probably, tbh. Still, his camp got him the Golovkin payday at a disclosed $1.75m, plus another 3 undisclosed paydays (no doubt in my mind that he got $1.5m+ per fight), ended up being positioned for a world title shot to come to him, and is now a free agent world champion with DAZN needing opponents for Canelo, and his adviser sitting on a rumored $120m per year guaranteed budget for the next 4 years.

Even if the cost out was 40%, Jacobs has still made out well.

[Verus]

You mean December is fielding right? But anyways as I see it Jacobs gained a ton of confidence when he deserved a draw vs ggg at least, if not for the flash kd. that is.

Jacobs could do what the rest of these cherrypickers are doing & face nobodies while waiting for a lottery payday but he has instead been steadily building up a far better resume than ggg all things considered.

And now that he just tamed a young lion at MW in deryev. he is sounding more & more like an elite fighter who now wants to become a 1st ballot hofer instead of just another also ran. Jacobs deserves mad respect if he ends up facing Charlo next yr,imho he is demonstrating that he deserves to be a big draw if he continues forging his own path dare to be great rather than playing it safe like so many others,

Right, December it is. I think Canelo is eager to fight Danny Jacobs. I don't understand why Danny is not a bigger draw. He is a good fighter and has a compelling story. Right now both Canelo and Jacobs are at the top of their game.

[bigdunny1]

What is all this conjecture about. No one will fight anyone if the money isn't right. No need to project what a fighter will think is right and then argue that the fighter is pricing himself out. Recall they have an offer from GBP already. The money not being right could simply mean, make sure you factor in my IBF belt when you pay me.

All he basically said is that his #1 choice is Canelo, but they aren't going to take less than what they'd get for a Charlo or GGG fight. Simple.

Don't put words in his mouth that's not what he said. Had he said we are not taking less money we will fight WHOEVER brings the most money to table nobody would have a problem. Instead what he actually said is we won't fight Canelo unless we get the right price then goes on to talk about Charlo and GGG fights without mentioning any money demands. You know why? Because everyone knows if Canelo offers you the fight he will pay more money then Charlo or GGG fights. First you say well maybe he is just saying I have the IBF belt now so you need to increase my offer (pricing himself out) and that is my fear his belt means nothing Canelo is already lineal and beat the real champ to get his belts, jacobs is not even a mandatory for Canelo. If Jacobs thinks like you that he is bigger deal then he is and makes negotiations difficult like he did with the GGG fight then we likely won't see this fight in May. That's my point when B sides start talking like this to A sides it usually means the fight isn't happening or not happening right away.

[bigdunny1]

Floyd never had to cover a basically $40m nut without PPV; kinda makes this different. If Jacobs gets between what Khan/ChavezJr got and what Golovkin allegedly got, the fight gets made easily (whether that means Jacobs signs away his freedom for a he years to get the payday is another story).

If they short him, he likely looks elsewhere.

You are talking crazy now. Canelo is the biggest draw and cash cow. Oscar and Eric Gomez have said their new deal doesn't prevent them from making any big fights going forward and actually makes it easier to make the fights they want. There is no reason to think DAZN who is throwing money around like crazy all a sudden is going to hamstring golden boy from making fights and that they will go from offering every opponent their career best payday to now they are offering guys less money to face them then they get on the open market. That all a sudden you need to take paycut to fight Canelo phuking Alvarez? Is that what you are really trying to portray right now? That fighters will need to apply for food stamps to make ends meet with the offer Canelo will make them? There is no universe where Canelo offers Jacobs the fight but he will make more then that fighting Charlo or GGG. Charlo had NEVER headlined and needed a coin flip to break that streak. Jacobs/Charlo fight wouldn't even be a PPV. Jacobs is still the B side to GGG and they already fought on PPV last year a PPV that belly flopped and paid him just 1.75M. Hell GGG and Jacobs combined made less money then Canelo offered Khan and Chavez both of which are proven bigger draws then Jacobs who can't even sell out arenas in his own hometown BEFORE or AFTER Hearn so kill that excuse.

We already know the economics of a Jacobs/GGG fight and bigger names under PBC then Jacobs and Charlo have fought each other and made COMBINED 2-3M but you saying if Jacobs get's offered 4M that's lowball? This is the bullshyt I'm talking about if Jacobs people start talking like this then they pricing themselves out he ain't getting 4M to fight anybody else and I'm already playing along with your nonsense because Khan got 6M and Chavez got 7M. I have no clue what Jacobs will get but it won't be anywhere near GGG got because he doesn't bring what GGG brought to the table. But if you and his idiot manager think he deserves GGG type money then the fight ain't happening. We can clown GGG for his PPVs but he draws huge cable ratings (Jacobs isn't close to those ratings), he has drawn 20K attendance in NY (Jacobs is hometown kid never drawn 20K and drew 5K this weekend), GGG had all the belts and is the true champ (Jacobs just won a paper belt that was stripped from GGG). Canelo doesn't need Jacobs he's the cash cow and will make huge money with or without Jacobs. Jacobs just fought for 1M and his career payday was 1.75M. If he offered 4M+ to fight Canelo and takes half of that to fight Charlo/GGG he priced himself out the fight it's that simple.

[bigdunny1]

He was already complaining about the money offered this past year when Oscar approached before the GGG fight. I honestly Canelo would have looked elsewhere and said screw Jacobs and probably fought Spike if the GGG fight didn't get made. Jacobs acts as if he's a draw and money maker. He can't even sell in his own town, if he fights Charlo, most of the people would attend because of Charlo not Jacobs.

You are right I forgot about that. From the time he was given the Canelo offer to GGG agreeing to take the rematch there was a report that Jacobs complained about the money. And you have the history of him being difficult to deal with during the GGG negotations which caused GGG and HBO to miss 2 crucial deadlines an push back GGG's date TWICE. And his manager is already complaining about the money here when it's guaranteed to be more money then he's ever seen for a fight. This idiot might of gone to the Winky Wright School of Business has the lottery ticket and might throw it away lol

[Scipio2009]

You are talking crazy now. Canelo is the biggest draw and cash cow. Oscar and Eric Gomez have said their new deal doesn't prevent them from making any big fights going forward and actually makes it easier to make the fights they want. There is no reason to think DAZN who is throwing money around like crazy all a sudden is going to hamstring golden boy from making fights and that they will go from offering every opponent their career best payday to now they are offering guys less money to face them then they get on the open market. That all a sudden you need to take paycut to fight Canelo phuking Alvarez? Is that what you are really trying to portray right now? That fighters will need to apply for food stamps to make ends meet with the offer Canelo will make them? There is no universe where Canelo offers Jacobs the fight but he will make more then that fighting Charlo or GGG. Charlo had NEVER headlined and needed a coin flip to break that streak. Jacobs/Charlo fight wouldn't even be a PPV. Jacobs is still the B side to GGG and they already fought on PPV last year a PPV that belly flopped and paid him just 1.75M. Hell GGG and Jacobs combined made less money then Canelo offered Khan and Chavez both of which are proven bigger draws then Jacobs who can't even sell out arenas in his own hometown BEFORE or AFTER Hearn so kill that excuse.

We already know the economics of a Jacobs/GGG fight and bigger names under PBC then Jacobs and Charlo have fought each other and made COMBINED 2-3M but you saying if Jacobs get's offered 4M that's lowball? This is the bullshyt I'm talking about if Jacobs people start talking like this then they pricing themselves out he ain't getting 4M to fight anybody else and I'm already playing along with your nonsense because Khan got 6M and Chavez got 7M. I have no clue what Jacobs will get but it won't be anywhere near GGG got because he doesn't bring what GGG brought to the table. But if you and his idiot manager think he deserves GGG type money then the fight ain't happening. We can clown GGG for his PPVs but he draws huge cable ratings (Jacobs isn't close to those ratings), he has drawn 20K attendance in NY (Jacobs is hometown kid never drawn 20K and drew 5K this weekend), GGG had all the belts and is the true champ (Jacobs just won a paper belt that was stripped from GGG). Canelo doesn't need Jacobs he's the cash cow and will make huge money with or without Jacobs. Jacobs just fought for 1M and his career payday was 1.75M. If he offered 4M+ to fight Canelo and takes half of that to fight Charlo/GGG he priced himself out the fight it's that simple.

Do you honestly think that DAZN will front a $40m TV rights fee for Alvarez-Jacobs?