Lil g is the biggest coward known to mankind. let's hope Canelo,Jacobs ignore him

[The Big Dunn]

Who cares what the WBC ordered for a fcking interim belt?

You think GGG should obey to the WBC and they interim belt?

How GGG should be interested by an interim belt at 160 by the age of 37?
That's what is mind blogging TBH.

Mall is high risk wich is cool but low reward wich is bad here for a fighter who has 2 fights left (not really a legacy win, no belt)

I rather see him fight Smith at 168, high risk/but high reward too.

The winner would be in the mando position to get a Canelo fight so I'm thinking yes in this case because beating Charlo puts Canelo in the position of avoiding you or being stripped.

Obviously it's more than the interim belt but I guess when you want to justify cowardly actions you go play like the interim belt is all that would be at stake.

SO you are ok with him ducking Charlo to take an easier fight for more money, whether it be Murata or Smith @ 168.

I wish you had just said that from the beginning!

[BillyBoxing]

fans should want the best fights not look for the best financially fit fights so they can find an out to protect them. you all defended Dominick wade when he was the mandatory now look at you. if this was anyone else you would call it a duck.

No because GGG is not a simple mando like Wade was.
He's now a boxing PPV fighter and whatever you think about his MW run it is the second longest in history.

So you don't order GGG to fight somebody for an interim belt, it's pretty much disrespectful from the WBC if you ask me.

Terrible comparison if you ask me, but you guys aren't here to make sense, just to see him in a potential loss.

[BillyBoxing]

The winner would be in the mando position to get a Canelo fight so I'm thinking yes in this case because beating Charlo puts Canelo in the position of avoiding you or being stripped.

Obviously it's more than the interim belt but I guess when you want to justify cowardly actions you go play like the interim belt is all that would be at stake.

SO you are ok with him ducking Charlo to take an easier fight for more money, whether it be Murata or Smith @ 168.

I wish you had just said that from the beginning!

I dunno about Smith being an easier fight.

Would CHarlo do better than Groves versus Smith, I just dunno about that.

You're just being biased here.

Last thing, I never said GGG vs Mall is a bad fight, it would be a good interesting fight, my point is it's the lowest reward for GGG out there.

And GGG doesn't need the WBC to fight Nelo, Nelo will chose to fight him or not.

[BillyBoxing]

fans should want the best fights not look for the best financially fit fights so they can find an out to protect them. you all defended Dominick wade when he was the mandatory now look at you. if this was anyone else you would call it a duck.

I agree here.

but I rather see GGG vs Benavidez and Benav is much dangerous than mall.

If GGG fights Mall it doesn't do much for his career.
you guys will be like he never moved up doe if he goes the Andrade CHarlo way...

New belt in a new division bring more than an interim belt in the same ol div.

[uppercut510]

No because GGG is not a simple mando like Wade was.
He's now a boxing PPV fighter and whatever you think about his MW run it is the second longest in history.

So you don't order GGG to fight somebody for an interim belt, it's pretty much disrespectful from the WBC if you ask me.

Terrible comparison if you ask me, but you guys aren't here to make sense, just to see him in a potential loss.

I think gggee beats charlo, I just want to see the best fights, not sure whats wrong with that. and gggee isn't a ppv star like that... stop hiding behind politics as a fan and demand to see the best fights.

[uppercut510]

I agree here.

but I rather see GGG vs Benavidez and Benav is much dangerous than mall.

If GGG fights Mall it doesn't do much for his career.
you guys will be like he never moved up doe if he goes the Andrade CHarlo way...

New belt in a new division bring more than an interim belt in the same ol div.

fair enough! but what gggee is doing will be called out

[BillyBoxing]

I think gggee beats charlo, I just want to see the best fights, not sure whats wrong with that. and gggee isn't a ppv star like that... stop hiding behind politics as a fan and demand to see the best fights.

I demand GGG vs Smith or Benavidez.

I have been wanting GGG to move up for years.

I think he's too old to make 160 at this point and 168 would rejuvenate him.

I think GGG is good for boxing wether you like him or not.

His fights versus Nelo and Jacobs were good scraps.

So would be him versus the bigger guys at 168.

[Citizen Koba]

i tihnk hes a questionable elite, a foot short of being classed as one, which is not an unfair assessment. I can happily class him as full on elite once he beats one - its up to him if he does.


you are right that the guy/girl who worte this thread title is an idiot for writing "coward" in it. Theres no cowards in boxing (though there is a "ward").

However the general pattern of not making big fights until age 35 says most emphatically that its HIM not making the big fights. All the others mentioned had their big fights, with the possible exception of sturm, who had some unification which he lost, i think.

Blaming everyone else for your lackings is ridiculous.

What's with obsession with blame around here, man? It's like you're trying to say there has to be a villain of the piece, when life is always more nuanced than that. Sometimes **** just happens. Simple fact is there was precious few big names available when Golovkin was available to make big fights and at no time was he the most lucrative or attractive option for any 'A' side to fight. Simple as. No blame, just everyone making rational sensible decisions based on risk and reward. There were some guys like Pirog for whom the fight made sense, maybe but in each case **** happened to stop it... like I say, sometimes **** just doesn't come together, and when a fighter is with a smaller promoter and doesn't have the pull or the stable to make fights... well. That's just the way it is. Golovkin wasn't significant enough to warrant a big fight (except for the Sturm debacle) until 2014 or so and finally landed one in 2017... waiting 3 years for a big fight is not unusual or exceptional in any way, especially without the backing of a major promoter. What does suck for GGG is that because of his late start and all the BS with Universum his career never really got started properly until he was 30 damn years old and by the time the big fights did come he was already past his best. Still - it's not an uncommon story I think... Maravilla was another with a late start who didn't get his break until it was almost too late.

[The Big Dunn]

I dunno about Smith being an easier fight.

Would CHarlo do better than Groves versus Smith, I just dunno about that.

You're just being biased here.

Last thing, I never said GGG vs Mall is a bad fight, it would be a good interesting fight, my point is it's the lowest reward for GGG out there.

And GGG doesn't need the WBC to fight Nelo, Nelo will chose to fight him or not.

It doesn't matter how Charlo would do. GGG is choosing the easier fight for more money.

You seem ok with GGG not fighting Charlo when you posted he would beat Charlo, right? You are giving him a pass because you like him. That is very disappointing.

[Boxing Logic]

LOL, I did leave. FOR YEARS. I don't think I posted between 2013-2016 probably longer. The two worst fan bases in the history of the sport ruined the site and it's not recovered. Most peoples allegiances today are still based on that pathetic saga and dreadful bout.

You act like Floyd-Pac was the root cause, not the result. I think its clear many "boxing fans" always had pro-black, pro-black American, anti-white, anti-foreigner "allegiances." Floyd and the "black consciousness movement" both just came to prominence around the same time, and started to use social media at the same time, so it was a perfect storm that brought a lot of those types to the forefront. Then all the objective non-racist people could see that that there was this huge group that hated them and anyone like them, a group that was completely illogical due to their bias to the point that they would defend Floyd denying fans the best fights and holding up divisions, to the point they would defend the literal ruining of the sport of boxing so long as they thought it benefited their racist agenda, which has since happened as you can see the sport has become a complete joke in the wake of "Mayweather era," so all the objective non-racist people started rooting against Floyd and what he represented because they could see it was destroying the sport not to mention it was just pure ignorance and not a good thing to root for.

I dont like to agree with Arum, but he's correct in one respect. Racism is a cancer. So yeah, when average people started to realize there was this huge racist group pushing an agenda behind a certain fighter and adviser, average people recognized that racism as the cancer it was to the sport of boxing, not to mention, you know, life, the world, etc, so those average people obviously found themselves against that. That doesn't make them a toxic fanbase or an equal offender. They were just the natural, normal reaction, sort of like the human body has its natural response when a virus enters the body and starts causing problems. When a cancer takes over the sport of boxing, true boxing fans are going to root against it and write comments criticizing it. That's normal. But the way you put it is like there are the biased Floyd fans and the biased Pacquiao fans and the two are equally ignorant and equally problematic. I dont agree at all. Yes Im sure there are some racist Philippinos who exist who rooted for Pacquiao for the same reasons so many Americans rooted for Floyd, but that's the exception not the rule in my opinion. I think most people just rooted for Pacquiao because he was exciting and good for the sport, and because they were rooting against the ruining of the sport of boxing which is what Floyd represented.

So yeah... I see what you're saying in general, but I think equating the virus of boxing (racist people in the sport and racist fans pushing racist agendas usually with the help of corruption, since the two often go hand in hand, to the detriment of good fights being made and to the detriment of the competitive integrity of the sport across the board) with its potential cure (i.e. the people speaking out about how there is a virus in boxing right now, and criticizing it, and saying why it's ruining the sport, and how to fix it, and calling on other fans and people in the media and fighters and anyone involved with the sport to start speaking out about it as well and start changing things where they can) is very unfair, and a big reason why the virus of boxing continues to go stronger. It's because people are not differentiating the passionate racist fans who are destroying boxing from the passionate fans who are passionate not due to racism, but due to a desire to fix the sport and save it from that mix of corruption and racism which have hurt the sport so much the last 15 years anyway. They just throw all the passionate fans into the same bucket, as if being passionate about the right things is not different than being passionate about the wrong things. That's obviously not true. Maybe in some philosophic debate under a certain context it could true, but when it comes to boxing and the quality of the sport itself, it's not true and its damaging to the sport for people to act like it is.