Comments Thread For: Roach Says a Prime Pacquiao 'Walks Through' Everyone at 147

[IceTrayDaGang]

Manny ducked Brook and Spence so if the win was so easy why was Manny too afraid to fight him?

10-4 WW resume. Uggh. Manny's a Filipino Soto Karass at WW.

manny ducked brook and spence??? when did his happen?? LOL!!!!

[The Big Dunn]

why did you feel the need to post the names for manny then??

its disgusting to think that the current ww's can beat pac when they havent even fought each other all yet!!!! who the fvvk did danny beat at ww that makes you think he can beat pac?

who did porter beat at ww that means you think he can beat pac?? who did spence beat at ww that makes you think he can beat pac??

its disgusting to say that a prime pac would lose to these guys!! it's embarassing to rank the guys these guys beat over pac!!

I posted them to look at who he beat during the time he was prime to assess the statement made that he could run through the current WW's. No more, no less.

They don't have to fight each other. It's about styles making fights. Spence has a style that would give Manny tremendous problems. Manny's style, while effective, can be neutralized by long armed boxers that can box on the outside and neutralize Manny's power.

Of course posting that hurt your feelings so you decided to make it about resume. I'm fine with that, except Manny's ww resume, if you were able to be honest, is not as pure as some of his fans suggest.

It doesn't discredit Manny in any way saying these guys would beat him. Rational people understand Manny isn't a natural WW.

Sadly, like a child, you equate saying they'd beat him with them being better than him. That is the only reason you keep whining and crying.

[Drew Bundini Br]

If you take a way the horrible Ko, Marquez gave Pacman then yes Freddy you are right, if you take away all the weight clauses he gave all of the welter weights, including Margarito who he fought at 150 lbs not 154. then yes Freddy you got it. If you take away the 5lbs he take away for Cotto fight, then Yes Freddy you are right. Pacman was great, but at taking catch weights. He is the king of catch weights. He fought a Oscar who hadn't fought as a welter weight for the last 10 years of his career????

True indeed.

[JWHardin]

By prime he really means before VADA and USADA testing.

So true! Pac was just ordinary when the random testing came about. His "prime" was before the testing began. Sad but true.

[Fangedgrowl]

Without an issue, only ones who gives him problems is Floyd and Spence!

i would put crawford in there too, howeever Pac wins in 2009 2010

[IceTrayDaGang]

I posted them to look at who he beat during the time he was prime to assess the statement made that he could run through the current WW's. No more, no less.

They don't have to fight each other. It's about styles making fights. Spence has a style that would give Manny tremendous problems. Manny's style, while effective, can be neutralized by long armed boxers that can box on the outside and neutralize Manny's power.

Of course posting that hurt your feelings so you decided to make it about resume. I'm fine with that, except Manny's ww resume, if you were able to be honest, is not as pure as some of his fans suggest.

It doesn't discredit Manny in any way saying these guys would beat him. Rational people understand Manny isn't a natural WW.

Sadly, like a child, you equate saying they'd beat him with them being better than him. That is the only reason you keep whining and crying.

once again, you are assuming!!!! this is why i brought up fighters they both have fought. but when i do this, then you come back and say it doesnt work like that but here you are again, "assuming"!!!

the closest way we'll find out how manny matches up with the current ww's is by looking at who they fought so we can compare it!!! but you say we cant do this, yet you bring up spence's size/style and "assume" that, that's gonna give pac problems. this is what you keep trying to ignored.

[The Big Dunn]

once again, you are assuming!!!! this is why i brought up fighters they both have fought. but when i do this, then you come back and say it doesnt work like that but here you are again, "assuming"!!!

the closest way we'll find out how manny matches up with the current ww's is by looking at who they fought so we can compare it!!! but you say we cant do this, yet you bring up spence's size/style and "assume" that, that's gonna give pac problems. this is what you keep trying to ignored.

They only both fought Algieiri, you never brought him up. Spence, TKO 5, Manny UD 12.

I did look at who prime Manny fought at WW. ODH, Clottey and Cotto (145). You refuse to be honest about where they were relative to the current crop of WW's.

Crawfrod, Spence and Thurman (when healthy) are top 10 p4p boxers. ODH and Clottey weren't when prime manny fought them. Cotto was, I acknowledged that.

Because they aren't, you want to bring up wins from a different period then the prime period you outlined, 2008-10. You keep posting size all the time knowing those bigger guys are not boxers at the level Spence, Crawford, Thurman or Danny are.

Manny is a 1st ballot HOF'er but he isn't a 1st ballot HOF'er @ WW. You just can't accept that. AT ww he is 10-4.

[Fangedgrowl]

They only both fought Algieiri, you never brought him up. Spence, TKO 5, Manny UD 12.

I did look at who prime Manny fought at WW. ODH, Clottey and Cotto (145). You refuse to be honest about where they were relative to the current crop of WW's.

Crawfrod, Spence and Thurman (when healthy) are top 10 p4p boxers. ODH and Clottey weren't when prime manny fought them. Cotto was, I acknowledged that.

Because they aren't, you want to bring up wins from a different period then the prime period you outlined, 2008-10. You keep posting size all the time knowing those bigger guys are not boxers at the level Spence, Crawford, Thurman or Danny are.

Manny is a 1st ballot HOF'er but he isn't a 1st ballot HOF'er @ WW. You just can't accept that. AT ww he is 10-4.

Dunn , 2 of those losses are actually wins. we know he beat Bradley in the first fight and Horn too.

[The Big Dunn]

Dunn , 2 of those losses are actually wins. we know he beat Bradley in the first fight and Horn too.

Agreed. If you look at an earlier post I acknowledged this. I also pointed out the SD win over JMM could be a loss.

So call his record 12-2 fine by me.

The point is Spence, Thurman, Crawford can box from the outside and stay away from Manny's power and make it extremely difficult for Manny to win. They aren't just bigger plodders like Margs and Clottey and they don't have such short reach like Bradley or JMM that they have to put themsleves in harm's way to land.

[Fangedgrowl]

Agreed. If you look at an earlier post I acknowledged this. I also pointed out the SD win over JMM could be a loss.

So call his record 12-2 fine by me.

The point is Spence, Thurman, Crawford can box from the outside and stay away from Manny's power and make it extremely difficult for Manny to win. They aren't just bigger plodders like Margs and Clottey and they don't have such short reach like Bradley or JMM that they have to put themsleves in harm's way to land.

I think Pac beats Thurmon. I cant get that image of Collazo or Quintana wgich ever one it was landing that body shot on Keith and he retreating fast. Plus Keith really struggled with Poret and Garcia.