Comments Thread For: Lomachenko: 135 Is Not My Ideal Weight Category Right Now

[Zn1]

Vasyl Lomachenko is 30 years old, set for 31 in just under 4 months.

If you're really hanging your argument on Lomachenko, at the age of 30/31, still growing into weights, you're a fool.

I think it's less about growing and more about becoming accustomed to carrying the extra weight around without significantly impacting cardio . If you think a fighter like Lomachenko isn't taking that side of his preparations seriously, you're a fool.

[frosty-g]

Technically he could be growing into the weight at any age, I think maybe you are thinking about it as maturing into his natural weight. The difference being that changing weight at any time means you have to adapt to the power and tempo of the new weights class.

He’s making a point of modesty because you could argue he did well enough against a top tier lightweight, instead he’s saying he feels he could have done better.

People are ****** but I admire your patience in trying to educate them!

[NEETzsche]

In terms of his frame and his weight in the actual ring he's definitely a small lightweight. I would compare Loma at 135 to Mayweather at 147, i.e. perennially at a size disadvantage but still good enough to win

[chubuk7]

isnt mikey fighting spence?

Yeah, Mikey is fighting Spence next Saturday. lol

[Gillie]

Loma did good in that fight against Linares. You could tell his body was getting used to fighting at that weight and taking punches from bigger guys.

Yep although it still amazes me that he was down on one scorecard. Other than the knockdown and the subsequent round, I had him pretty comfortably ahead.

[joebloggs789]

isnt mikey fighting spence?

Mikey was never going to fight Spence. All talk, I wonder if he has the cojones to unify all the belts with Loma.... Probably not but we can always hope

[steeve steel]

Age is the worst ennemi for athletic fighters like him, not weight.

[hitking]

Pac and Floyd turned pro as teenagers, and at artificially low weights. If Loma had done the equivalent of what they did, which is turn pro at say 18 years old at 105 pounds, then 135 would already be Loma's ninth weight class. If he could make 126 easily at age 27 when he turned pro, then at 18 he probably could have made 105 if he drained himself like many fighters do, and like Floyd and Manny probably did at that age.

But because Loma turned pro after he was already a fully developed adult, and because he turned pro close to his natural weight instead of the smallest possible weight he could make, he has only moved up 3 weight classes in the pros. But as I've been showing, that's very misleading. The same thing goes on with GGG. Bivol is another good example, he is the same size as Saunders but Saunders fights at 160 Bivol fights at 175. If Saunders eventually moves to his normal weight 175, people will say "Saunders moved up to his third division, Bivol only stayed at 175, so Saunders is better," when in reality Saunders would not have moved "up" any further than Bivol did, he just started further "down" from his real weight than Bivol did.

In other words, Bivol will have been facing the best guys his size or bigger the whole time, whereas these weight jumpers fight smaller guys most their careers, then only fight guys their size at the end once they move up, but somehow that deserves more credit than fighting the best your size the whole time? That makes no sense! But, you can see it's a great propaganda tool because many fans absolutely do fall for it. Very rare is the fighter who actually starts at his natural weight when he turns pro as an already developed adult, and then moves up 4 or 5 times to face guys 4 or 5 divisions bigger than him. In fact that never *****ing happens far as I can see.

And the way you can tell all this weight jumping is bull**** is ask yourself, Pacquiao has moved up 8 divisions, but when he fights at 147, are his opponents 8 divisions bigger than him? No. They're only 1 or 2 divisions bigger than him, naturally. So that tells you, the first 6 divisions Manny moved up, that was all either from weight draining himself initially, or because he grew with age. He has only truly moved up to face opponents one or two divisions bigger than him, maybe 2.5 in the most extreme cases like Margarito, which is the same as Loma right now at 135. The only difference is Loma turned pro at an older age, and did not start at an artificially low weight the way that so many today do (Mikey, Crawford, Spence, Canelo, Charlos, etc).

I think Floyd was around 27 or 28 when he fought his last fight at lightweight. Manny was even closer to 30 when he fought his last fight at jr lightweight. So assuming they didn’t hit puberty in their thirties. I think it’s safe to say they spent quite a bit of time fighting bigger guys in their respective careers.

[Ake-Dawg]

Loma is an extremely talented fighter that imo just acknowledged that he has to get used to fighting as the smaller man against top level competition.

[Dreamking]

"Lomachenko was ahead on one scorecard (86-84), down on one scorecard (86-84) and even on the third card (85-85) when he stopped Linares" What the ****?