Comments Thread For: Lomachenko: 135 Is Not My Ideal Weight Category Right Now

[mrpain81]

Strange considering he won a gold medal in the World Championships in 2011 and also a Gold Olympic medal in 2012 at lightweight.



Any idea why he moved up in the Amateurs?

[BoxingIsGreat]

Loma is too small for 135. He should return to 130 and finish his career there, only taking good money fights at 135, like Mikey and Davis. Davis is headed to 135.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Strange considering he won a gold medal in the World Championships in 2011 and also a Gold Olympic medal in 2012 at lightweight.



Any idea why he moved up in the Amateurs?

The bold: People naturally shrink as they age. Not surprised.

[elfag]

Translation: "Mikey Garcia and I are in the same weight class, but I am too small to fight him. I will duck him and fight tomato cans. If I fight a good fighter, he must come up from 122 or 126."

[Ajvar]

Strange considering he won a gold medal in the World Championships in 2011 and also a Gold Olympic medal in 2012 at lightweight.



Any idea why he moved up in the Amateurs?

On purpose for harder competition before going Pro.

[Citizen Koba]

Strange considering he won a gold medal in the World Championships in 2011 and also a Gold Olympic medal in 2012 at lightweight.



Any idea why he moved up in the Amateurs?

Am lightweight is 132 without rehydration and I think Loma comes to the ring around 138-139 now (fairly low for a LW) He moved up in the ams for the same reason most guys move up - he got older. He was 20 in 2008, 23 in 2011. Guys tend to gradually add body mass during their 20s and most settle into their full fighting weight by the age of 28 or so... its very common to climb another division around the age of 30 also as it becomes increasingly difficult to cut weight and rehydrate successfully.

[Boxing Logic]

Goes to show you how special guys like Floyd and Manny were. Floyd went from competing as a lightweight to fighting DLH at 154 in a matter of like three years.

Pac and Floyd turned pro as teenagers, and at artificially low weights. If Loma had done the equivalent of what they did, which is turn pro at say 18 years old at 105 pounds, then 135 would already be Loma's ninth weight class. If he could make 126 easily at age 27 when he turned pro, then at 18 he probably could have made 105 if he drained himself like many fighters do, and like Floyd and Manny probably did at that age.

But because Loma turned pro after he was already a fully developed adult, and because he turned pro close to his natural weight instead of the smallest possible weight he could make, he has only moved up 3 weight classes in the pros. But as I've been showing, that's very misleading. The same thing goes on with GGG. Bivol is another good example, he is the same size as Saunders but Saunders fights at 160 Bivol fights at 175. If Saunders eventually moves to his normal weight 175, people will say "Saunders moved up to his third division, Bivol only stayed at 175, so Saunders is better," when in reality Saunders would not have moved "up" any further than Bivol did, he just started further "down" from his real weight than Bivol did.

In other words, Bivol will have been facing the best guys his size or bigger the whole time, whereas these weight jumpers fight smaller guys most their careers, then only fight guys their size at the end once they move up, but somehow that deserves more credit than fighting the best your size the whole time? That makes no sense! But, you can see it's a great propaganda tool because many fans absolutely do fall for it. Very rare is the fighter who actually starts at his natural weight when he turns pro as an already developed adult, and then moves up 4 or 5 times to face guys 4 or 5 divisions bigger than him. In fact that never *****ing happens far as I can see.

And the way you can tell all this weight jumping is bull**** is ask yourself, Pacquiao has moved up 8 divisions, but when he fights at 147, are his opponents 8 divisions bigger than him? No. They're only 1 or 2 divisions bigger than him, naturally. So that tells you, the first 6 divisions Manny moved up, that was all either from weight draining himself initially, or because he grew with age. He has only truly moved up to face opponents one or two divisions bigger than him, maybe 2.5 in the most extreme cases like Margarito, which is the same as Loma right now at 135. The only difference is Loma turned pro at an older age, and did not start at an artificially low weight the way that so many today do (Mikey, Crawford, Spence, Canelo, Charlos, etc).

[Nightfall]

He's fighting Tank Davis leftovers

[Vinnykin]

Strange considering he won a gold medal in the World Championships in 2011 and also a Gold Olympic medal in 2012 at lightweight.



Any idea why he moved up in the Amateurs?

You don't cut weight in the amateurs. Sometimes you fight 5 times over 2 weeks, and constantly need fuel for energy.

Not relatable in any way to a 3 month camp and a professional, optimum fighting weight, but everyone knows that right?

Also, he moved up because that is the weight he evened out at doing the training and constantly refueling during competitions.

[Zn1]

isnt mikey fighting spence?

Spence is chasing the Collazo fight