Jose Ramirez and Errol Spence

**Eff Pandas** · 10-20-2018, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra

when they (PBC) have TV dates for Spence.

I don't wanna interrupt all this PBC vs TR sh^t that this thread is apparently about...yawn, but DOES PBC have TV dates for Spence???? If they do I wish they'd give them to him. He's among the most promising names in the game & he last fought 4 months ago & doesn't have a date yet.

Thats complete & utter bs for a healthy guy at this level of the game & it keeps happening with PBC guys who don't have promoters. I guarantee you Bob is gonna have Bud on the schedule within 60 days (& most other promoters are doing that with their biggest names in the prime of their career) & I believe he's already said Bud will be fighting in April/May so that got a tentative date already. If you don't have a date for a guy within 30-60 days of a fight for a guy of this caliber you are f#cking around too much or don't have access to dates.

**Motorcity Cobra** · 10-20-2018, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Eff Pandas

I don't wanna interrupt all this PBC vs TR sh^t that this thread is apparently about...yawn, but DOES PBC have TV dates for Spence???? If they do I wish they'd give them to him. He's among the most promising names in the game & he last fought 4 months ago & doesn't have a date yet.

Thats complete & utter bs for a healthy guy at this level of the game & it keeps happening with PBC guys who don't have promoters. I guarantee you Bob is gonna have Bud on the schedule within 60 days (& most other promoters are doing that with their biggest names in the prime of their career) & I believe he's already said Bud will be fighting in April/May so that got a tentative date already. If you don't have a date for a guy within 30-60 days of a fight for a guy of this caliber you are f#cking around too much or don't have access to dates.

You already know they got the Fox and Showtime dates. So why would you think they don't have dates for him? Spence's longest layoff was waiting on the Brook fight which was delayed because of Brook's injury. He was out 9 months. Crawford was out ten months between Indongo and Horn for not reason at all.

Spence has fought twice this year. Crawford has fought twice this year. Crawford has fought 4 times in in two years. Spence has fought 3 times in 2 years with the delay coming due to injury for which he had to wait for his mandatory fight. Crawford won't be back until March/April according to Top Rank. They're activity levels are not as far apart as people try to make it seem. You'd think Spence has fought once in the past two years and Crawford had fought 7 times the way people make it seem.

**Jsmooth9876** · 10-20-2018, 12:59 PM

Spence has ZERO possible PPV dates ...
Pac is not fighting Spence.....
And the other fights wont sell at all.....

**Scipio2009** · 10-20-2018, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra

When all the top 140lb fighters except Ramirez opted to join the WBSS tournament Carl Moretti of Top Rank said why would he sent Ramirez to the WBSS when they have TV dates for him, he sells tickets and they're building him into a star

Following the Top Rank business model why would PBC split a PPV with Top Rank when they have TV dates for Spence. He sells tickets, and his options are Thurman, D. Garcia, Porter, and Pacquiao? While Crawfords options are Mean Machine and Bes*****. And they have no interest in fighting the other top welterweight, D. Garcia and WBC Porter.

Explain to me why Crawford gets to jump to line over two other champs and two former champs that are already on the same platform as Spence when Crawford is the one who has limited options.

Garcia-Lomachenko on ESPN PPV and Crawford-Spence on Fox/Showtime PPV would be a fair trade. But Crawford has ZERO options and leverage to split a PPV with Spence while Spence has 2 possible PPV's and 2 other top welterweights to fight.

Arum deliberately stalled the purse bid for Prograis-Ramirez, yet simultaneously rushed the purse bid for Stevenson-Gvozdyk, lol.

It's been "heads I win, tails you lose" with Top Rank since I even recognized them as a company, and to expect that to change while Bob Arum is living is a waste of energy.

**Eff Pandas** · 10-20-2018, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra

You already know they got the Fox and Showtime dates. So why would you think they don't have dates for him?

Cuz he don't got a fight yet & last I heard his tentative date was trending back a month every month.

He's always not gots a fight til he pops up with a fight 6 weeks from now. Its a sh^tty way to do business that all the Spence talk is about why he isn't fighting vs how will Spence vs the guy we know he's fighting in December or January or whenever shake out.

PBC needs to cycle this sh^t better. They CLEARLY don't have dates for guys if they aren't giving one of their most promising guys at the forefront of the news with a actual date vs an actual opponent quicker then they do.

They do this with a lot of cats. So many mfers are feeling so in limbo they mention not having a date their damn self on SM.

Fair play on Gary Russell not wanting to fight but once a year cuz he gots hand injuries. But Spence & Tank & Charlo & a bunch of these other dudes are in limbo far too f#cking long. Give these mfers a fight on the board ffs.

Like I said Bob is already saying Bud is fighting in April/May & he just fought last week. And I'd bet he gots a hard date within 2 months. PBC leaves guys up in the air too long & THEY are. Its not like I'm making this sh^t up & trying to be ultra-critical of PBC. I'm a fan & rooting for PBC, but they are f#cking ****** with some of these squares pegs they keep trying to fit in round holes. Fans want something to be excited for & to talk about with boxers they enjoy. Boxers want hard dates on the schedule. This isn't a crazy or unrealistic thing to want to see.

**Scipio2009** · 10-20-2018, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Eff Pandas

I don't wanna interrupt all this PBC vs TR sh^t that this thread is apparently about...yawn, but DOES PBC have TV dates for Spence???? If they do I wish they'd give them to him. He's among the most promising names in the game & he last fought 4 months ago & doesn't have a date yet.

Thats complete & utter bs for a healthy guy at this level of the game & it keeps happening with PBC guys who don't have promoters. I guarantee you Bob is gonna have Bud on the schedule within 60 days (& most other promoters are doing that with their biggest names in the prime of their career) & I believe he's already said Bud will be fighting in April/May so that got a tentative date already. If you don't have a date for a guy within 30-60 days of a fight for a guy of this caliber you are f#cking around too much or don't have access to dates.

The dates are there; the issue seems to be the fights, tbh.

At this point in his career, taking fights simply to take fights is a dumb move. He's a professional outside of the ring, so it's not like he needs to be kept in camp to simply keep his weight under control, and he's not going to learn anything from knocking over cans either.

Spence will get a fight to tick over (Ugas or Collazo, most likely be) and then he'll likely have the Porter fight at some point in the Summer (Keith Thurman has basically caused the logjam).

If Keith Thurman comes back on form, fan gets the actual big fight (Thurman-Spence) in late 2019/early 2020.

Crawford unified the belts at 140, sat 10 months before fighting Jeff Horn (for a belt, so whatever), came back in good time to fight Jose Benevidez Jr (so-so matchup but it was a mandatory, so whatever), and is already penciled in to return in good time for another fight that no one really cares about against 'Mean Machine' (in another WBO mandatory, but whatever), with the Bes***** fight penciled in after that.

Horn/Benevidez/MeanMachine/Bes***** vs Peterson/Ocampo/likelyUgas/Porter/Collazo (with maybe Thurman as the fight after)

Counting from after Crawford staked his claim as king of 140lbs through the near future of the fights already being talked about.

Who would you rather be?

**Scipio2009** · 10-20-2018, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Jsmooth9876

Spence has ZERO possible PPV dates ...
Pac is not fighting Spence.....
And the other fights wont sell at all.....

Spence-Porter from JerryLand may edge itself onto PPV, and Thurman-Spence will definitely be PPV when it eventually happens. Heck, if a Spence-Porter fight does numbers, Pacquiao may even choose getting fed to Spence for a last payday (Floyd isn't coming back, in case folks had doubts). The Brook-Khan winner may even be an option (would be PPV in the UK, and Spence has no issue traveling for the right deal)

What is beyond clear is that Terence Crawford definitely has ZERO PPV fights, even potentially.

**Jsmooth9876** · 10-20-2018, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Scipio2009

Spence-Porter from JerryLand may edge itself onto PPV, and Thurman-Spence will definitely be PPV when it eventually happens. Heck, if a Spence-Porter fight does numbers, Pacquiao may even choose getting fed to Spence for a last payday (Floyd isn't coming back, in case folks had doubts). The Brook-Khan winner may even be an option (would be PPV in the UK, and Spence has no issue traveling for the right deal)

What is beyond clear is that Terence Crawford definitely has ZERO PPV fights, even potentially.

Who's gonna par for Spence vs Porter? I like em both but let's be honest, that is NOT a PPV fight. Thurman has been MIA for like 2 years, he has to catch fire to get back his shine now.

Pac vs Spence for sure is a PPV but that wont ever happen unless they give Manny like 20 million and then Spence will want at least 10 and neither of those things are gonna happen.

If Spence gets Garcia I'm sure that's a PPV and I'll buy it but its gonna be a one sided beatdown for Spence. Crawford-Spence is THE fight at 147.

**Eff Pandas** · 10-20-2018, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Scipio2009

The dates are there; the issue seems to be the fights, tbh.

I'm not sure of that. Spence vs TBA on Dec. 15 would be better than TBA on everything. I think these guys are shuffling the deck til the last week before they announce sh^t. I mean the fighters are talking about this sh^t on SM ffs. Thats a awful look for how PBC runs sh^t.

At this point in his career, taking fights simply to take fights is a dumb move.

I mean who's saying that.

I'm simply saying this notable guy in boxing should be on the schedule in more timely fashion. Joshua had his Apr. date BEFORE his Sept. fight happened. We know Canelo is gonna book the Mexican holiday dates & we even knew this surprise Dec. fight was gonna likely happen within the week after GGG II. Bud just fought & he's being talked about fighting in April or May. Loma had his Dec. fight booked quickly after he was deemed healthy to fight. This is how this sh^t works for the notable guys in the sport w/e team they play for.

PBC gots this clusterf#ckish goofy sh^t with planning out their schedule doe. And the fighters are talking about it too thats where I'm really seeing this is an issue. Cuz sh^t man who am I to say a mfer should fight. But you got fighters saying idk whats up with my next fight lmfao. Wtf man. Thats amateur sh^t at this level of the game.

Spence will get a fight to tick over (Ugas or Collazo, most likely be) and then he'll likely have the Porter fight at some point in the Summer (Keith Thurman has basically caused the logjam).

If Keith Thurman comes back on form, fan gets the actual big fight (Thurman-Spence) in late 2019/early 2020.

Yea we both know what Spence is "likely" to be doing next, but he's not doing sh^t officially & his last fight was 4 months ago & he's got nothing on the board.

This is Spence himself a couple weeks ago. I'm sure there are a hundred examples of PBC guys b^tching or hinting at wanting fights or not having a fight if one took the time to look.

I need a fight
— Errol Spence (@ErrolSpenceJr) October 7, 2018

Who would you rather be?

I'd rather be the promoter.

But idk wtf **** measuring fools gots to do with Spence's issues. Spence don't care if Bud got a headache. Spence has his own bs going on. So who cares about that.

There is clearly a problem with how the PBC scales out there fights. Idk what they are doing that makes it so hard to say Spence is fighting on Dec. w/e, Charlo is fighting on Nov. w/e & Tank is fighting on Jan. w/e, but this is for sure without argument a PBC problem that I & anyone not fanboying about PBC is seeing.

Jose Ramirez and Errol Spence