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  • kafkod
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    #51
    Originally posted by JWHardin
    I do know how they work. Tell me why they lined up the fight with Pulev in the first place when they knew he would duck? Tell me why they put Takam on notice immediately after lining up the Pulev fight?

    Why not have AJ fight Ortiz instead of Molina or Breazeale? Everyone that isn't an avid AJ fan knows the answer to that.
    When AJ vs Pulev was first ordered, Pulev posted on FB saying he wouldn't be ready for it. But his promoter then contradicted that and informed the IBF that Pulev would be ready, and the FB post was deleted.

    Hearn was told by the IBF that if Pulev didn't go through with the fight, Takam would be selected to replace him. And Takam confirmed that, if Pulev didn't want it, he would be ready to go on the same date, so that's what happened.

    It was the IBF who replaced Pulev with Takam, not Hearn. You don't get to pick your own mando with the IBF.

    I've already explained to you that Ortiz was the WBA mando when AJ won that title against Wlad. So Hearn signed him and put him on the undercard of AJ vs Molina to try and build interest in a fight between Ortiz and AJ.

    Why didn't AJ fight Ortiz in his first defence, instead of Breazeale?

    Why should he have?

    You could just as well ask, why didn't Wilder fight Ortiz in his first defence, instead of going through Molina, Duhaupus, Szpilka, Arreola and Washington first?
    Last edited by kafkod; 10-08-2018, 09:01 PM.

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      #52
      Originally posted by JWHardin
      There certainly is a gain. A common opponent that AJ has been accused of ducking. A dangerous southpaw that only Wilder has giving a chance so far among the top heavyweights. Use him as a tune up fight. The fact is, he doesn't want to fight Ortiz. He could have fought him when he fought Takam, Breazeale, or Molina. Tell me how tough they are.
      Ortiz himself has never fought a live body aside wilder and maybe Jennings.
      He is a bum slayer. All road leads to UK, Dec 22. If hez got balls, he can fill in the gap so whyte can expose him finally.

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        #53
        Originally posted by Laligalaliga
        Ortiz himself has never fought a live body aside wilder and maybe Jennings.
        He is a bum slayer. All road leads to UK, Dec 22. If hez got balls, he can fill in the gap so whyte can expose him finally.
        I sincerely hope he does fight Whyte. I think Hearn is just throwing out his name because he knows Ortiz has already agreed to fight on the under-card. I don't care where they fight. Whyte will try to get someone easier though, like Breazeale.

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          #54
          Originally posted by kafkod
          When AJ vs Pulev was first ordered, Pulev posted on FB saying he wouldn't be ready for it. But his promoter then contradicted that and informed the IBF that Pulev would be ready, and the FB post was deleted.

          Hearn was told by the IBF that if Pulev didn't go through with the fight, Takam would be selected to replace him. And Takam confirmed that, if Pulev didn't want it, he would be ready to go on the same date, so that's what happened.

          It was the IBF who replaced Pulev with Takam, not Hearn. You don't get to pick your own mando with the IBF.

          I've already explained to you that Ortiz was the WBA mando when AJ won that title against Wlad. So Hearn signed him and put him on the undercard of AJ vs Molina to try and build interest in a fight between Ortiz and AJ.

          Why didn't AJ fight Ortiz in his first defence, instead of Breazeale?

          Why should he have?

          You could just as well ask, why didn't Wilder fight Ortiz in his first defence, instead of going through Molina, Duhaupus, Szpilka, Arreola and Washington first?
          I'm not going through the whole timeline of why Wilder fought who he did. You can look it up but have a feeling you already know about the failed tests of his opponents, and coming off injuries.

          Ortiz signed with Hearn to hopefully get a shot at AJ, but Hearn would only put him in with tomato cans. Wasted time.

          What about Hearn saying sometimes you have to drop belts to put on the fights that people want? The belts are suddenly important to them when a fight is available to them that they don't want. Hypocrites.

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            #55
            Originally posted by JWHardin
            I'm not going through the whole timeline of why Wilder fought who he did. You can look it up but have a feeling you already know about the failed tests of his opponents, and coming off injuries.

            Ortiz signed with Hearn to hopefully get a shot at AJ, but Hearn would only put him in with tomato cans. Wasted time.

            What about Hearn saying sometimes you have to drop belts to put on the fights that people want? The belts are suddenly important to them when a fight is available to them that they don't want. Hypocrites.
            Hearn signed Ortiz after AJ's first defence against Breazeale and he put him on AJ's undercard against an easy UK domestic opponent to build up interest in the UK for the AJ vs Ortiz WBA mando, when it was called.

            After Povetkin took over the WBA mando position from Ortiz, Hearn did exactly the same thing with him. He didn't sign him, but he put Sasha on AJ's undercard against a well known UK domestic HW to build interest in the mando when it was called.

            Why the fck would Hearn have signed Ortiz and put him on AJ's undercard if they intended to duck him?

            And how could they have ducked him anyway, when he was a the WBA mandatory challenger?
            Last edited by kafkod; 10-09-2018, 06:46 AM.

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              #56
              Originally posted by kafkod
              Hearn signed Ortiz after AJ's first defence against Breazeale and he put him on AJ's undercard against an easy UK domestic opponent to build up interest in the UK for the AJ vs Ortiz WBA mando, when it was called.

              After Povetkin took over the WBA mando position from Ortiz, Hearn did exactly the same thing with him. He didn't sign him, but he put Sasha on AJ's undercard against a well known UK domestic HW to build interest in the mando when it was called.

              Why the fck would Hearn have signed Ortiz and put him on AJ's undercard if they intended to duck him?

              And how could they have ducked him anyway, when he was a the WBA mandatory challenger?
              Whatever you think dude. Carry on.

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                #57
                Originally posted by JWHardin
                Whatever you think dude. Carry on.
                Hearn didn't need to sign Ortiz and give him a fight against an easy opponent on AJ's undercard.

                He didn't need to introduce Ortiz to the UK fans, who had mostly never even heard of him, and tell them ... "This is Luis Ortiz. He is the mandatory challenger for AJ's WBA title"

                Maybe you can tell me .. if Hearn wanted to avoid Ortiz, why on earth would he have done that?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by JWHardin
                  I sincerely hope he does fight Whyte. I think Hearn is just throwing out his name because he knows Ortiz has already agreed to fight on the under-card. I don't care where they fight. Whyte will try to get someone easier though, like Breazeale.
                  I understand Ortiz camp has agreed to the date. Hopefully they can work and that and make the fight.

                  It will definitely be a cracker. My bet is on whyte.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Laligalaliga
                    I understand Ortiz camp has agreed to the date. Hopefully they can work and that and make the fight.

                    It will definitely be a cracker. My bet is on whyte.
                    My bet is that Hearn will find a way to not make the Ortiz vs Whyte fight. Back when Ortiz was WBA mandatory, they threatened to drop the belt, so Ortiz bailed to fight Wilder.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by JWHardin
                      My bet is that Hearn will find a way to not make the Ortiz vs Whyte fight. Back when Ortiz was WBA mandatory, they threatened to drop the belt, so Ortiz bailed to fight Wilder.
                      Am optimistic the fight will be made.

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