Comments Thread For: Fury To Wilder: I'm No Challenger, I'm The Lineal Champion!

[Adamsc151]

Is there an actual belt, or any other type of physical accolade for being "lineal" champ? I've always considered it as nothing more than a bragging rights thing.
Yes nobody beat Fury for him to lose his titles but the same can be said of Lewis who retired as "lineal" Champ, does that not mean the "lineal" title was retired with him? As impressively as Fury nullified Klitschko, and as amazing a career as Klitschko had, neither could truly be called the "lineal" Champ.
I'm sure the line must have been broken a couple of times before Lewis was considered "lineal" champ as well. Is the title really worth anything as it is now literally impossible to be the man who beat the man, who beat the man, etc all the way back to the original "lineal" champ.

[rudy]

Someone that was banned for 2 years for steroids forfeits the right to be called lineal champ IMO.

Evander Holyfield fights against Tyson do not count then he was on steroids

[5000boxing]

Someone that was banned for 2 years for steroids forfeits the right to be called lineal champ IMO.

Yea.. but it doesn't work that way. The lineal champion can only lose his title in the ring.

[Robbie Barrett]

Is there an actual belt, or any other type of physical accolade for being "lineal" champ? I've always considered it as nothing more than a bragging rights thing.
Yes nobody beat Fury for him to lose his titles but the same can be said of Lewis who retired as "lineal" Champ, does that not mean the "lineal" title was retired with him? As impressively as Fury nullified Klitschko, and as amazing a career as Klitschko had, neither could truly be called the "lineal" Champ.
I'm sure the line must have been broken a couple of times before Lewis was considered "lineal" champ as well. Is the title really worth anything as it is now literally impossible to be the man who beat the man, who beat the man, etc all the way back to the original "lineal" champ.

Universally recognised #1 vs #2 establishes a new lineal. But Wlad's lineal status is questionable which in turn made Fury's. Wlad never beat #2, his brother was #2. Being banned for 2 years for steroids makes anyone claiming Fury is still lineal a ****ing idiot.

[Robbie Barrett]

Yea.. but it doesn't work that way. The lineal champion can only lose his title in the ring.

If that's the case Lennox Lewis is still lineal.

[DougalDylan]

Fury lost the lineal because he retired (his words) if that didn't strip him , then Lennox who retired as well is still lineal.

Fury lost his boxing license for testing positive for steroids. He lost his belts from the inactivity and he fought two cans this year that would never qualify as defenses for any ABC belt.

Fury is not the lineal Champion. He used to be 2016. Before we knew he used steroids in the lead up to the wlad fight. Even his win over wlad is in question. He is lucky they didnt change it to a NC.

[5000boxing]

If that's the case Lennox Lewis is still lineal.

Lmao.. technically yes.. but it holds no weight.. Klitchsko ran the division for 6 years.. fury was the man who dethroned him. No lennox.. not to mention everytime the man says something real about AJ yawl discredit him an call him a Canadian! Lmao.. u.k fans are weird!

[Adamsc151]

Universally recognised #1 vs #2 establishes a new lineal. But Wlad's lineal status is questionable which in turn made Fury's. Wlad never beat #2, his brother was #2. Being banned for 2 years for steroids makes anyone claiming Fury is still lineal a ****ing idiot.

I'll take that reasoning, so the winner of this fight can only be considered the lineal champ if they also beat Joshua as well (and I'd make AJ the favourite against either at the moment) - unless someone else beats him 1st which I think is doubtful with the current crop of contenders, but you can never be sure at HW.
Lets hope Joshua can lure the winner to Wembley in April, however Wilder at least will have a rematch clause in case of losing. I can't give any credibility to the rumours that Wilder-Fury is a 2 fight deal regardless of the result in December; surely no champ would ever agree to that for a simple defence against a non-belt holder - regardless of who the challenger might be.

[frosty-g]

He was still banned for 2 years for steroids. That is worthy of stripping to any reasonable person. Does any of the popular ranking sites recognise him as lineal?

Problem is - the opinions of people on boxing forums or “popular ranking sites” are merely opinions and don’t count for anything.

[Robbie Barrett]

Problem is - the opinions of people on boxing forums or “popular ranking sites” are merely opinions and don’t count for anything.

Well that's all lineal is an opinion, there's no official title.