The case for floyd higher on ATG list than Duran

[hugh grant]

If Floyd would have did all he said he could do then he could have been higher than duran.
He implied he could beat Ggg at 160. But didn't go for it as he couldn't make 160.? Even an anorexic teenage boy can make 160 if they eat and get dietry advice.
If pac could beat Josh at heavyweight he'd do it. The reason Pac wouldn't attempt it is because he couldn't beat Josh bloating himself up.
So you really need to ask Floyd if you can do it why dont you? The normal reply you get from Floyd fans is Ggg had only been in one weight why don't Ggg step u p?
Because Ggg isn't trying to be greater than duran or pac.

[Johnwoo8686]

You are a nutthugger and a fanboy so not getting into a debate but two major falsehoods.

Duran was not getting outboxed by Buchanan. He was dominating and way ahead. He also never lost at 135 as you claim. He lost a non-title right at 140 to DeJesus. Non-title fights didn’t mean as much either they were really just used for fine tuning. Floyd did get a gift vs. Castillo though and Castillo isn’t in Durans league nor is the Maidana that Floyd got a gift over.

You sound like a straight hater so to you I may seem like a fanboy. Buchanan was outboxing Duran. Duran even called Buchanan one of the toughest opponents of his career. You say Duran lost a non title fight to De Jesus at 140 but somehow he lost his lightweight championship after that loss. He only regained the title after his next fight.

Floyd beat Castillo and Maidana. You can try and rewrite history all you want but he BEAT them. If you want to call the Castillo victory a gift I can turn around and call the Buchanan victory a gift since Duran won that fight using a lowblow.

And if we're going to measure greatness, we have to compare wins AND losses. Duran was great but not greater than Floyd.

[ADP02]

Lmao when they don’t have anything educated to say they start coming up with CORNY excuses. Your comment was corny and didn’t even make sense.

Man, I have to spell it out to you!
That meant that your hero Floyd was not able to get himself to fight "risky" opponents!


Duran went up and fought SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Barkley,...



Floyd went up and fought Baldomir, Berto, McGregor, and Guerrero, and some who were past their prime …. and then called out Marquez, Hatton and others that were fighting primarily or solely at below 147.


When he had to fight a fight that was "risky", Floyd went on vacation!



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[travestyny]

Man, I have to spell it out to you!
That meant that your hero Floyd was not able to get himself to fight "risky" opponents!


Duran went up and fought SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Barkley,...



Floyd went up and fought Baldomir, Berto, McGregor, and Guerrero, and some who were past their prime …. and then called out Marquez, Hatton and others that were fighting primarily or solely at below 147.


When he had to fight a fight that was "risky", Floyd went on vacation!



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But he beat Pacquiao's ass and has you still crying about it years later

Maybe Pacquiao should have begged for a draw like you did in our debate that you lost 4-0. Remember that?

[!! Shawn]

There is a middle ground. Respect his career but not worship it.

He is an ATG IMO. Some seem not to believe that and others want you to believe he is TBE.

There is very little middle ground on this site.

Floyd skillwise is one of the best, he is up there with James Toney.

But there is having skills, and then there is having skills, and applying them against the best fighter at the peak of their skills over and over and over.

James Toney took on prime RJJ, Michael Nunn, Vasilly Jirov, etc.

Duran, past his prime, took on prime undefeated SRL, Marvin Hagler, Benitez, Hearns etc.

When people say different eras cant compare.

The only think you cant really compare is that today, most fighters, floyd included, only take fights that they know they can win.

Back then, you had to fight the best to make money. Now its a strange economy where you can rake in big paydays fighting guys that realistically have zero chance of even making you go into 2nd gear.

Duran fought SRL when SRL was 24 in his prime, at the absolute high of his abilities.

We saw SRL vs Hearns before each was 26.

Now superfights are only when one guy or both guys are 35.

If Lomachenko moved up and fought Spence, thats basically what Duran did. Except SRL was much better than spence, no offense to spence who is a beast.

And then if he moved up even further, to 160lb, and fought GGG.

Because thats what duran did. He moved up to 160 and fought MARVIN HAGLER.

[ADP02]

But he beat Pacquiao's ass and has you still crying about it years later

Maybe Pacquiao should have begged for a draw like you did in our debate that you lost 4-0. Remember that?

DUCKY,

Floyd was crying in 2009/2010 and here he is still crying in mid 2012







A few years later in 2014, Floyd saw a different Manny

Earlier in April, Pacquiao regained a world title of his own when he scored a convincing points win against Timothy Bradley to win back the WBO welterweight belt and continue his recent ring revival; although, Mayweather was not impressed with what he saw.

"I think both fighters fought like amateurs," Mayweather said. "I thought Pacquiao fought like an amateur too, and I wasn't pleased with his performance. He got the victory but I wasn't pleased with his performance at all.

"I don't see the same 'pop' in Pacquiao's shots.

He also gets tired and he wasn't getting tired before.

So, I'm seeing something totally different.

Me? I'm still sharp, I'm still smart, I'm not getting fatigued.
"Those are the things that I see. I don't know if you guys see it but that's what I see."

May 2015, we have the fight and after all that BS talk about PEDs, it was Floyd who used an ILLEGAL BANNED IV!!!!





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[travestyny]

DUCKY,

Floyd was crying in 2009/2010 and here he is still crying in mid 2012





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That's a long way for you to say that Manny Pacquiao ducked the fight in 2010 just like you been ducking me, bltch


24 days to recover from giving blood. Who was ducking whom, hmmmm?

[_Rexy_]

Let’s be real here.

Duran vs Mayweather at 135. Duran wins

[HandsofIron]

Roberto Duran is King, the Don, the Godfather of Boxing!

Slap yourself for posting this thread mang.

[ADP02]

That's a long way for you to say that Manny Pacquiao ducked the fight in 2010 just like you been ducking me, bltch


24 days to recover from giving blood. Who was ducking whom, hmmmm?

DUCKY, you like to DEFLECT. We all know that.

The point was that Floyd avoided that "risky" fight for 5+ years! Only after he said that it was no longer the same Manny did Floyd take on the fight. What changed besides that for all those years? NOTHING!!!

Even the urine sample talk was over soon after because Manny brought it down to 14 then 7 then no cutoff dates.



When Floyd was crying about PEDs in that monologue Manny had agreed already for a long time with PEDs testing .





BUT like I said, you just DEFLECT when you know that you are WRONG!

or

you DUCK!


QUACK, QUACK, QUACK!!!!!



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