The case for floyd higher on ATG list than Duran

[Diego Rodriguez]

You really have that as Duran’s only good win?

SMH.

By the way Duran’s one victory on this one person Duran list was far greater than any one single Floyd win.

He beat a prime SRL. A guy who is also among the greatest P4P fighters ever.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Is there any way in hell Floyd would make it through duran's resume without a loss? Who you fight and when you fight them matters.

No. That’s the point when you fight fighters in their prime you are going to have an off night and lose. Hell you can fight great and still lose. It happened to SRL. You can make a case it happened to Floyd when he fought Castillo the first time. IMO Castillo was legit prime when Floyd fought both times. On paper you can argue Corrales was prime though I think he was better when he came out of prison. The night he fought Floyd he was messed up I think. But again that isn’t Floyd’s fault. He fought a brilliant fight and any time he would have fought Corrales I think he wins.

No I don’t believe Floyd would have been an undefeated fighter in the 80’s. That isn’t to to say he isn’t a great fighter.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Yes but Duran quit because he was weak mentally, not because he was smaller.

It has always been a question asked why?

I’m not sure how you call Duran mentally weak. You don’t do what he did in his career being meantally weak IMO.

http://tss.ib.tv/featured-articles/17416-duran-should-never-again-answer-why-he-quit-during-rematch-with-leonard

[Diego Rodriguez]

Here's to the never ending battle to get the naysayers to respect Floyd's career.

There is a middle ground. Respect his career but not worship it.

He is an ATG IMO. Some seem not to believe that and others want you to believe he is TBE.

There is very little middle ground on this site.

[Real King Kong]

No. That’s the point when you fight fighters in their prime you are going to have an off night and lose. Hell you can fight great and still lose. It happened to SRL. You can make a case it happened to Floyd when he fought Castillo the first time. IMO Castillo was legit prime when Floyd fought both times. On paper you can argue Corrales was prime though I think he was better when he came out of prison. The night he fought Floyd he was messed up I think. But again that isn’t Floyd’s fault. He fought a brilliant fight and any time he would have fought Corrales I think he wins.

No I don’t believe Floyd would have been an undefeated fighter in the 80’s. That isn’t to to say he isn’t a great fighter.

Floyd most likely wouldn't have gone near ww in that era, which is another reason Duran should be respected...but he didn't even stop there. Saying Floyd is undefeated and Duran has losses like it proves something is ridiculous.

[Diego Rodriguez]

I'll never understand how someone could say something so ignorant. People who know the history of the sport and understand the fighters and the era are going to be comparing eras and do their best judge accordingly. Anyone who has studied for followed that era understands that was the prime for the lower weight classes. It's pretty much unanimous. That doesn't mean they think Floyd isn't an all time great or isn't one of the best. They just don't put him in the same class as other fighters because his competition was much weaker.

This is well stated. That’s where I am.

I see both sides though. Some unnecessary bash him and some worship him.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Floyd best wins
Pac
Castillo
Corrales
Cotto
Berto
Marquez
Hernandez
Hoyas

Duran best wins
Leonards

Leonard best wins
Durans

Hearns best wins
Cuevases

Pacquiao best wins
Ledwabas

Morales best wins
Chis

Man, Floyd got them all beat, especially for that Hoyas win. I'm a big Hoyas fan.

Hoyas best wins
Leijas

[!! Shawn]

All you've succeeded in doing is reveal how little you know about boxing. By listing leonard as duran's only good win, only means you have not watched duran fight.

If floyd fought all of duran's opponents, he would not be undefeated.

Man, Duran just always had a way of sneaking in his shots all night long.

[!! Shawn]

[MisterHardtop]

As great as Mayweather was, he can not surpass Duran. This is not some old man's views but the basics of the sport. Duran was a killer at lightweight who dominated his division for a better part of a decade. Poeple tend to forgot or are too young to understand just how difficult it was to dominate divisions back then, to do it for so long was special. He was made even more special by fighting arguably the greatest welterweight of all time and winning. Yes there was the second fight and all that controversy but he returned and won a title at light middle and middle. He went toe to toe with Hagler and had enough skill to win a few rounds. If you saw him, you would see just how special Duran was.