The case for floyd higher on ATG list than Duran

[djtmal]

Here's to the never ending battle to get the naysayers to respect Floyd's career.

[buddyr]

The thing is with BoxRec they actually count losses in their metrics compared to the average fan who thinks losses don’t matter because of the fighters previous level of competition. You cant just excuses all his losses just because he fought tough competition like Hagler Barkley and Hearns. What would be the point of fighting and keeping fighters W-L record if you can just say “that loss doesn’t matter” everytime one of your favorite fighters lose? In reference to Duran, he had nearly 20 losses. How fair would it be to the fighters that beat him to say those losses don’t matter?

That list is some certified bs. haha. It has to be the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life

[ADP02]

Sorry but anybody that has no mas ranked higher than pbf needs to get their head checked.

Floyd did "NO MAS" by not even entering the ring on multiple occasions!!! That is, he didn't even want to fight some fighters when he should have fought them!

[ADP02]

Berto??? Jmm those are not his best wins


Manny
Oscar
Hatton
Corrales
Castillo
Canelo
Cotto
Mosley
Hernendez

THEN

Jmm
Maidana
Ortiz
Guerrero
Judah
Berto
Gatti
Manfredy

The TS had only 1 fighter for Duran yet you came to the rescue for your hero Floyd!

You made me laugh Larryxxx, so all is good!


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[CodeBreaker]

Nostalgia = denial

Floyd is definitely above Duran

[Japanese Boxing]

Here's to the never ending battle to get the naysayers to respect Floyd's career.

I'll never understand how someone could say something so ignorant. People who know the history of the sport and understand the fighters and the era are going to be comparing eras and do their best judge accordingly. Anyone who has studied for followed that era understands that was the prime for the lower weight classes. It's pretty much unanimous. That doesn't mean they think Floyd isn't an all time great or isn't one of the best. They just don't put him in the same class as other fighters because his competition was much weaker.

[E-Thug]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Floyd would have beat Iran barkley at 160?

Floyd would have beat Tommy Hearns? No ****ing way. There is no ****ing way Floyd beats hearns.

Floyd would have beat Hagler? Sugar Ray leonard?

Maybe you should stop posting.

Duran coming up to 147 and beating Leonard is a feat greater than anything Floyd has accomplished.

So you have Calzaghe, Ottke, Lopez, Marciano, Barry ahead of Armstrong and every other boxer with that many losses? Ottke over Robinson? Wow.

Here's to the never ending battle to get the naysayers to respect Floyd's career.

The problem with these modern era fans is they've literally never watched boxing or bothered to research about it in any way, shape or form. They became fans in like 2011/2012 and Mayweather and Pacquaio are all they know. They know sweet **** all else. You can't help ******ed people like this

I'll never understand how someone could say something so ignorant. People who know the history of the sport and understand the fighters and the era are going to be comparing eras and do their best judge accordingly. Anyone who has studied for followed that era understands that was the prime for the lower weight classes. It's pretty much unanimous. That doesn't mean they think Floyd isn't an all time great or isn't one of the best. They just don't put him in the same class as other fighters because his competition was much weaker.

Because recency bias = denial

[DreamerUSA]

The thing is with BoxRec they actually count losses in their metrics compared to the average fan who thinks losses don’t matter because of the fighters previous level of competition. You cant just excuses all his losses just because he fought tough competition like Hagler Barkley and Hearns. What would be the point of fighting and keeping fighters W-L record if you can just say “that loss doesn’t matter” everytime one of your favorite fighters lose? In reference to Duran, he had nearly 20 losses. How fair would it be to the fighters that beat him to say those losses don’t matter?

The simple answer is that losing a fight doesn't undo what you have previously accomplished. The fact is, Duran could of rode off into the sunset as a legend after beating SRL. Whatever happened after that doesn't change that fact. Everything he accomplished after that is just icing on the cake.

[Fangedgrowl]

The simple answer is that losing a fight doesn't undo what you have previously accomplished. The fact is, Duran could of rode off into the sunset as a legend after beating SRL. Whatever happened after that doesn't change that fact. Everything he accomplished after that is just icing on the cake.

Who is recognized as the greatest pound for pound fighter. Sugar Ray Robinson, yes he lost fights. However he fought alot of tough competition. He didnt duck anyone or wait them to age. This boxing rec stuff isn the end all to be all. Other people said it too. You have to look at eras. Floyd went to welterweight right after Oscar, Shane, Felix, Fernando, Ike quartey, Winky at 154, Margarito, a young cotto. ETC. However i cant fault him either. He was a 130 pounder when they were in their primes. So it is not always comparable.

[chrisJS]

The thing is with BoxRec they actually count losses in their metrics compared to the average fan who thinks losses don’t matter because of the fighters previous level of competition. You cant just excuses all his losses just because he fought tough competition like Hagler Barkley and Hearns. What would be the point of fighting and keeping fighters W-L record if you can just say “that loss doesn’t matter” everytime one of your favorite fighters lose? In reference to Duran, he had nearly 20 losses. How fair would it be to the fighters that beat him to say those losses don’t matter?

That’s actually the worst list I’ve ever seen. I mean, De La Hoya over Leonard, no Jofre, no Walker, Pep at 48 and Greb at 18 lol. Patterson lol. I could pick apart that list all day It’s so bad. Even Marquez, my all-time favorite fighter in the top 20 is way too high and a clearly awful ranking.