Is UKAD totally useless?

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  • Jubei
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    Is UKAD totally useless?

    So Billy Joe Saunders just failed a drugtest under VADA, he took a substance called Oxilofrine which is on the banned substances list under the VADA protocol - but is somehow allowed under UKAD, out of competition, but here is the catch, "In competition testing" by UK Anti Doping only starts at the evening of the fight!

    Saunders was only caught because the additional VADA testing was requested and paid for by team Andrade.

    According to Victor Conte Oxilofrine is a very powerful PED, 10 times more potent than Clenbuterol for example.



    Oxilofrine is thought to increase adrenaline production, boosting endurance, power, focus, alertness and heart rate and increasing oxygenation of the blood, its also useful to accelerate weight loss.

    Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell, two of the fastest 100m sprinters ever have been banned for Oxilofrine:

    This year's fastest sprinters, Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell, have tested positive for the banned amphetamine


    UKAD (UK Anti Doping) allows these substances to be taken even during training camps, their "out of competition" banned list is extremely short.

    But out of competition testing for UKAD literally means until 12 hours (yes hours, not days, or weeks) before the fight. In Competition testing only starts at actual fight night!

    UKAD In-Competition Testing
    In-Competition testing is conducted in connection with a sporting event. WADA define in-competition as “the period commencing 12 hours before competition… through to the end of such competition and the sample-collection process related to such competition”, unless stated otherwise by the rules of an IF or other relevant anti-doping organisation.


    Very potent PEDs like Oxilofrine get only tested for on the night of the fight. During training camp up until the morning of the fight basically anything goes. Oxilofrene and other stimulating and very potent drugs are known for a very short half life of less than 24 hours so they are nearly impossible to detect by a regular blood or urine test.

    I have always questioned UKAD since the Tyson Fury "incident". It was extremely shady, also did they ever catch a big time fighter?

    Whats up with all the UK fighters that never do VADA testing and only get tested by UKAD? Is UKAD totally useless?
    Last edited by Jubei; 09-29-2018, 10:53 AM.
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    #2
    Seems to me like vada is the only credible organisation when it comes to testing

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    • soul_survivor
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      #3
      I wouldn't say ukad is totally useless but it nowhere near as good as it SHOULD be.

      With this particular incident, is vada has claimed a positive test, do they have any ability to ban bjs? If so why haven't they?

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      • Eff Pandas
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        Sh^t whats the name of this nasal spray?

        Bout to go get me some.

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          #5
          Originally posted by soul_survivor
          With this particular incident, is vada has claimed a positive test, do they have any ability to ban bjs? If so why haven't they?
          Nope. They are just a third party testing company. A commission or a ABC group will need to make a call.

          And honestly I don't think VADA wants or should want that power.

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          • Jubei
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            Originally posted by soul_survivor
            I wouldn't say ukad is totally useless but it nowhere near as good as it SHOULD be.

            With this particular incident, is vada has claimed a positive test, do they have any ability to ban bjs? If so why haven't they?
            Seems like ultimately the Massachusetts State Athletic Commission (MSAC) will have the final say if the fight takes place. Team Saunders says that the substance is allowed out of competition under UKAD but VADA obviously has the substance on their banned list. But Vada just does the testing and gives advice, the Athletic Commission decides.

            UKAD's list of banned substances is very short for out of competition testing, but the problem that they only test for the potent PEDs on fight night. In competition doesnt mean during training camp, it means only on fight night, everything else is out of competition with very few banned substances.

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            • New England
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              amazing to see the once great ring magazine putting this interviewer out. good lord, she just talks until she feels like she can make a question out of it.

              decent content, however. UKAD is a joke. the handling of tyson fury said it all for me, that guy was the HW champion of the world.

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                Originally posted by New England
                amazing to see the once great ring magazine putting this interviewer out. good lord, she just talks until she feels like she can make a question out of it.

                decent content, however. UKAD is a joke. the handling of tyson fury said it all for me, that guy was the HW champion of the world.
                Yeah I watched her 'interview'with Joyce earlier and it was terrible, she was talking more than him

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                • RoyJonesJrp4pno1
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DramaShow
                  Seems to me like vada is the only credible organisation when it comes to testing
                  Conte said as much.

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                  • Kezzer
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                    I understand it only has an effect for a few hours. Doesn’t seem unreasonable therefore to only be banned on the day?

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