Comments Thread For: Joshua's Promoter: The Sole Focus, 100%, is Wilder Fight in April

[Scipio2009]

So where is your justification its 100 million dollar fight then ? Wilder has not sold a ppv yet lol

Wilder wasn't going to sign to fight for free, so between him and Joshua the matchup likely had north of $60m in guaranteed pay to the main event fighters, and Showtime/MGM Resorts were confident enough in getting their money covered to back it.

[The plunger man]

You're actually totally wrong. Business is all about projecting the future revenue. You purchase an object based on current value. However the value of a business or a fight is in the projected revenue.

As for the percentage...I believe 40% gets this fight made.

No i am not....you don't pay for business on what possibly might happen.
You go through the books see what turnover the company has made and what furture contracts and orders have locked in.
There is no proof on what wilder will make yet so its impossible to make an exact price.
We are not talking about stocks & shares here which is what your pretty much saying ....wilder is a risk at the moment and if thats the case then the person who is nvesting in those stocks & shares will get those at a better cost.
Risk & reward.
But wilder wants 50% now which he simply is not worth or what hearn will pay.

[Nightfall]

Sole focus on more road blocks

[Scipio2009]

Is that supposedly on the Wilder Fury fight?

Wilder is making a voluntary defense of his WBC heavyweight championship; he's entitled to have a rematch written in.

[The plunger man]

Wilder wasn't going to sign to fight for free, so between him and Joshua the matchup likely had north of $60m in guaranteed pay to the main event fighters, and Showtime/MGM Resorts were confident enough in getting their money covered to back it.

so where is the 50 million coming from.
Stop with this ****** talk , there was no contract , no venue , no date.
Zilch just an email so stop trying to make it sound like there is.
I live in reality you don't and what i see is wilder wanting more than he is worth.
But no probs let wilder fight fury and we will see how good it sells.
I have a feeling your going to be very disapointed when you see how poorly this fight does at the box office.
Fury is very mediocre over here because he is not entertainment and wilder is not a ppv star.
Joshua is the main draw of the divsion bar none

[The plunger man]

Sole focus on more road blocks

What the wilder vs fury rematch ? Lol

[Ake-Dawg]

No i am not....you don't pay for business on what possibly might happen.
You go through the books see what turnover the company has made and what furture contracts and orders have locked in.
There is no proof on what wilder will make yet so its impossible to make an exact price.
We are not talking about stocks & shares here which is what your pretty much saying ....wilder is a risk at the moment and if thats the case then the person who is nvesting in those stocks & shares will get those at a better cost.
Risk & reward.
But wilder wants 50% now which he simply is not worth or what hearn will pay.

Simply put, promoters project how much a fight will make between two fighters and make offers based on those projections. They dont get to view the financial records of other promoters to make those decisions. They use publicly available info plus their own records and make an offer. This is why you hear Hearn publicly stating his projected revenue and Finkel publicly stating a higher number.

Lastly...a fighter or promoter will always ask above what they expect to get. It's how negotiations are kicked off.

[Scipio2009]

as you should know business is not about guessing what will happen...it's about proven sales and what that product brings.
When you offer to buy a company you don't buy with a thought of what it might be like in 2 years time, you buy it how it's market value is now.
Let wilder fight fury and let's see how well the fight sells.
But I'll tell you one thing if the fight bombs don't expect wilder to be offered more than what he offered now.
It's business not charity but if I was Hearn I would offer wilder 40% and be done with it and end this fight there by Joshua sparking him out.
Wilder is not a good heavyweight champion

Are you kidding me?

In its entire history, Tesla has sold maybe 100000 vehicles, and yet their market cap is near Ford and GM. Present value of future cash flows isn't some new concept, lol.

[The plunger man]

Simply put, promoters project how much a fight will make between two fighters and make offers based on those projections. They dont get to view the financial records of other promoters to make those decisions. They use publicly available info plus their own records and make an offer. This is why you hear Hearn publicly stating his projected revenue and Finkel publicly stating a higher number.

Lastly...a fighter or promoter will always ask above what they expect to get. It's how negotiations are kicked off.

yeah and they make that evaluation on the market value of each fighter and what they will bring to the table.
In layman terms joshua is a proven seller and wilder is not....simple facts

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Anyone know how much the Povetkin fight generated ? PPV sales were reported to be 1 million plus (1.2 million ? Same as Parker ?), and at 20 pounds each, that's 24 million. Add around 6 million for ticket sales in Wembley (a guess), that's 30 million pounds, or 40m USD before anything else added in.

So I'm guessing that's the 'base' number for a Joshua fight, and just a question of how much an opponent can increase that. eg I'm sure a Fury fight would be significantly higher in the UK. Can't help but wonder about Wilder though given he could only get 12,356 people to go watch him in his home town of Alabama (capacity 17k) vs Washington, then 14,000 for Ortiz at the Barclays centre (capacity 16,000) - he doesn't seem to be lighting places up.

Few quick things; U.S. PPV is worth 3 to 4 times Skysports PPV, so Wilder vs. Fury only needs to make over 300k views and they eclipse anything AJ has done monetarily. Venues in America charge high prices for boxing events, so a 16k venue in America is not that far off the revenue of an 80k arena in the UK. You need to do some research on the Wilder numbers you put up. Barclays closed the upper level and mezzanine for Wilders fight, which leaves the seating at just over 12k, Wilder's fight sold that out and the demands were so high, barclays had to open up the mezzanine and offer more tickets. This has happened a few times. Venues almost never change the seating arrangement for a fight, it's un-heard of, but Barclays did it for Wilder. Barclays is also extremely hard to sell out, not even Cotto sold it out when he fought there. To expect Wilder to sell out Barclays is quite frankly ridiculous. Wilder is the biggest draw for Showtime, beats every fighter in the ratings. Over 2.5 million when he fought on Fox. He's the most popular American heavyweight in probably the last 20 years. Wilder is probably one of the most popular American fighters right now.

This goes back to what I have been saying for a while, people need to stop comparing UK , and US popularity. They are vastly different. By US standards Wilder is on track to be the second or third most popular fighter in the US.

And I don't understand why AJ fans continue to bring up popularity. It's clear his fans don't understand how US boxing works, and all I've seen is that Wilder fans have conceded that AJ is more popular, they have conceded the A-side, I'm at a loss why this continues to be brought up.