Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua Drops, Stops Alexander Povetkin in Seventh

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Did you even read what I said mate, you usually worth speaking to but not today, clearly you're the one with an agenda discrediting Povetkin with no proof, so whatever you say Ortiz is the best Heavyweight as he's better on the pads and resumes aren't one of the many ways of to measure a fighters accomplishment and level. Didn't even say Ortiz is bad he's just not 'clearly' better than Ortiz. Seriously acting like a resumes and past acheivments mean nothing and I'm the fanboy.... Okay 😂

Explain to me who I'm a fan boy of? I gave an accurate assessment of why I thought, as well as most people think Ortiz is a more skilled boxer than Povetkin. I showed multiple times, with multiple examples that the boxer with the better resume has lost to a boxer with a lessor resume numerous times in the history of boxing. I also showed numerous examples of how the better boxer doesn't always win a fight. There is nothing left for me to say to you, because you believe that a resume is the sum of a fighters ability, that tells me you have a simpleton, casual knowledge of the sport.

[TheJPF]

There is still a major belt floating out there for AJ to claim and its the WBC if he wants it but so far he has expressed no interest in retrieving it. Why? Is it because of fear?

Also, Yes, you said he fought all these great contenders but what about Wilder? The only reason why Wilder is challenging a Fury in the first place is because Joshua is ducking him and Eddie Hearn had to pull Povetkin out of his ass in order to avoid a showdown with Wilder; After he agreed to the $15mil flat fee, fighting on AJ's home soil and in the venue of his choice.

Likewise, AJ doesn't have the balls to come within a 100 feet of Ortiz or Wilder. He is simply bitchmade.

He got rocked by a cruiserweight that he outweighed by 24 lbs. How pathetic is that?

Dude... Wilder never signed the contract, so anything you say is bluster. AJ has fought better than Ortiz. Parker or Ortiz? Whyte or Ortiz? Povetkin or Ortiz?
If you rate Ortiz higher, you need to give a pretty good explanation. Wilder has actually ducked every one of the better fighters Joshua has on his record. Ortiz is a bum, but if the ref had backbone he might have done a standing count on Wilder... maybe worse. Whyte would smash Wilder.

You tell me, if you were a coward, would you rather fight pillowfist Fury in his current shape... or AJ in his current shape? Wilder made his choice by not signing the contract.

[The plunger man]

He failed the drug test after Joshua refused to exercise his WBA mandatory challenge to fight him in order to fight Carlos Takam for the IBF. Ortiz was Joshua's mandatory challenger for the WBA but AJ refused to exercise that mandatory challenge.

Wilder stood up and decided to give Ortiz a shot at his WBC title after AJ ducked him and then shortly afterwards he subsequently popped for blood pressure medicines and was originally banned by both the WBA and the WBC but the WBC lifted its ban so Wilder could fight him but the WBA did not.

Also, to your point that Wilder has the most pathetic record of any past American champion you have ever seen then why is your boy Joshua is so scared shitless to just stand in the same ring with him let alone fight him?

wilder has a real contract waiting for him on his desk as we speak.
A real offer for all the belts in front of a 90k packed out stadium for 15 million dollars...but another improved offer is waiting for him as well.
So why won't he sign...we are not talking about an instagram champion.
We're talking fighting the guy with the most belts with the best resume who is widely considered the best heavyweight in the world.
Tell if Ortiz failed a test in September 2017 and Joshua boxed takam in October how did Joshua avoid his mandatory.
Plus Ortiz failed to stop malik Scott and failed to impress against allen.
That's why Ortiz was let go by Hearn and then guess what Ortiz failed a ped test after straight after.
So he lost his mandatory right there gumbo.
Joshua resume pisses all over wilders and that's why he is ranked number 1 in the world.
All wilder has to do accept the fight in April and we will find out who is the top dog.
Joshua will knock the lowlife into tomorrow if and when wilder grows some cajones and accept the kings offer.

[The plunger man]

There is still a major belt floating out there for AJ to claim and its the WBC if he wants it but so far he has expressed no interest in retrieving it. Why? Is it because of fear?

Also, Yes, you said he fought all these great contenders but what about Wilder? The only reason why Wilder is challenging a Fury in the first place is because Joshua is ducking him and Eddie Hearn had to pull Povetkin out of his ass in order to avoid a showdown with Wilder; After he agreed to the $15mil flat fee, fighting on AJ's home soil and in the venue of his choice.

Likewise, AJ doesn't have the balls to come within a 100 feet of Ortiz or Wilder. He is simply bitchmade.

He got rocked by a cruiserweight that he outweighed by 24 lbs. How pathetic is that?

that cruiser weight your talking about was ducked by wilder.
Povetkin was not even banned and yet wilder ran back to the states and refused to fight him and then when povetkin was given the all clear wilder was then sued by povetkin for breach of contract and was fined 4 million dollars.
This not some fantasy living keeping up with kardashians story.
This is real and this is why Joshua is the king of the division and remain that way when wilder grows a pair and signs to fight the April date.
It's waiting for him now so sign the ****in contract and let's find out.

[TheJPF]

wilder has a real contract waiting for him on his desk as we speak.
A real offer for all the belts in front of a 90k packed out stadium for 15 million dollars...but another improved offer is waiting for him as well.
So why won't he sign...we are not talking about an instagram champion.
We're talking fighting the guy with the most belts with the best resume who is widely considered the best heavyweight in the world.
Tell if Ortiz failed a test in September 2017 and Joshua boxed takam in October how did Joshua avoid his mandatory.
Plus Ortiz failed to stop malik Scott and failed to impress against allen.
That's why Ortiz was let go by Hearn and then guess what Ortiz failed a ped test after straight after.
So he lost his mandatory right there gumbo.
Joshua resume pisses all over wilders and that's why he is ranked number 1 in the world.
All wilder has to do accept the fight in April and we will find out who is the top dog.
Joshua will knock the lowlife into tomorrow if and when wilder grows some cajones and accept the kings offer.

This all over, couldn't have said it better

[PotentialToast]

Joshua had a good KO by Joshua but he didn't look good in the beginning. He still looks vulnerable to that same punch Klitschko dropped him with.

Btw, we don't need a poll to determine Joshua's next fight. It has to be Wilder.

I wasn't sure, but did I see Povetkin's trainer pull his arm down when he was trying to get up the first KD? The ref could've stopped it right there.

Did Povetkin throwh a straight right? Don't think so.

[Chrismart]

The most impressive thing about last nights KO was that Joshua was setting up that finish from the second round on. He constantly jabbed the body and took his time, once the pattern had been established, he threw the right hand. À la Tommy Hearns.

— Andy Lee (@AndyLeeBoxing) September 23, 2018

[billeau2]

Man this thread is getting saltier than the lakes in Salt lake City.

It boggles my mind that in this age of the uber athlete, where men can do so much more because of nutrition, modern training, etc that a guy can't go hard more than 6 rounds or so. Povetkin needed to keep pressing and could not. Furthermore, when he had AJ cold at the beginning of the fight, he needed to make a stand.

Everybody knows that AJ will get the rounds, so the Russian had to know he wasn't going to get a decision...he had to know his capacity to press, and he had to know that AJ was not in fight mode yet. The minute he backed off the result was etched in stone. And...if he had kept hitting AJ, avoiding return fire, he would have lost a decision.

Its like the whole mindset these days is off. its not a fight anymore its a sparring match and the right guy on cue will deliver the coupe de gra.

AJ did what he was supposed to do. His speed was missing, all he ever had to do was use his jab and eventually decided to do so, albeit as a stiff slow jab, compared to the few times he threw it with intent.

There has been some discussion about ortiz versus Povetkin. Both guys fight in the ammy style, Povetkin shows more angles, better feet, Ortiz has better power and much better counter punching...Ortiz is a more refined technician, the Cubans really worked from the amateur base to produce fighters of unparalleled technical abilities... Povetkin, on the other hand, while en excellent fighter, does not have that technical pedigree.

As far as Wilder... he has improved a lot. Guys like Wilder, David Haye and Martinez all came from other sports, and to compensate for a lack of technical refinement they became ambush fighters. Fighting from a distance, and refining the attack from a distance so in the interm they could not be caught by the superior technician. It makes sense considering technical skills have diminished considerably in the sport, the younger guys are developing so do not have great technique yet, so as an athete? stay outside and attack from a distance.

For Wilder what he has done is work on his jab. he has reach, and by setting up his punch with the jab, and using the jab as a lead, he varies his attack considerably. I think at this point if AJ starts cold in a fight with Wilder, he could have some problems. However, if AJ fights the whole fight, snaps his jab, keeps pressure on, he will give Wilder some problems.

I don't know how important the competition that these guys have fought is, in determining what they will do against each other. AJ has developed more weapons, but Wilder has cut away all the fat... Much like David Haye, Wilder does not intend on a chess match in the ring. At some point he will windmill your a33 and you better be ready! Some say he flies across the ring as he windmills! and Chinese bad martial arts music plays in the background! Seriously, he is doing what I would do, developing his attack and making it as strong as possible...making sure that in any 36 minutes, divided by 3 minutes, per a round, per a fight that he will increase the number of times he can hit his opponent. So, if when he started, before developing the jab, if he got 2 opportunities every 3 rounds, using the jab, and skills to make it so he gets one opportunity a round.

So for AJ its in the skills and being prepared...For Wilder it is in the numbers...If he gets at least a certain amount of opportunities connecting, he will be victorious. predicting who would win at this point is fool's gold. No way to know. Fury beats both these guys if he can get in any decent shape. AJ needs a bit more time to develop technically...Fury has those skills etched in from his youth.

[GlassJoey]

Think Povetkin is going to have some success early, could even see AJ being hurt in the 1st or 2nd round and it will turn the fight into a war instead of a boxing match. Think AJ comes through it and stops Povetkin some time between the 5th and the 8th

Nice call.

[The plunger man]

Man this thread is getting saltier than the lakes in Salt lake City.

It boggles my mind that in this age of the uber athlete, where men can do so much more because of nutrition, modern training, etc that a guy can't go hard more than 6 rounds or so. Povetkin needed to keep pressing and could not. Furthermore, when he had AJ cold at the beginning of the fight, he needed to make a stand.

Everybody knows that AJ will get the rounds, so the Russian had to know he wasn't going to get a decision...he had to know his capacity to press, and he had to know that AJ was not in fight mode yet. The minute he backed off the result was etched in stone. And...if he had kept hitting AJ, avoiding return fire, he would have lost a decision.

Its like the whole mindset these days is off. its not a fight anymore its a sparring match and the right guy on cue will deliver the coupe de gra.

AJ did what he was supposed to do. His speed was missing, all he ever had to do was use his jab and eventually decided to do so, albeit as a stiff slow jab, compared to the few times he threw it with intent.

There has been some discussion about ortiz versus Povetkin. Both guys fight in the ammy style, Povetkin shows more angles, better feet, Ortiz has better power and much better counter punching...Ortiz is a more refined technician, the Cubans really worked from the amateur base to produce fighters of unparalleled technical abilities... Povetkin, on the other hand, while en excellent fighter, does not have that technical pedigree.

As far as Wilder... he has improved a lot. Guys like Wilder, David Haye and Martinez all came from other sports, and to compensate for a lack of technical refinement they became ambush fighters. Fighting from a distance, and refining the attack from a distance so in the interm they could not be caught by the superior technician. It makes sense considering technical skills have diminished considerably in the sport, the younger guys are developing so do not have great technique yet, so as an athete? stay outside and attack from a distance.

For Wilder what he has done is work on his jab. he has reach, and by setting up his punch with the jab, and using the jab as a lead, he varies his attack considerably. I think at this point if AJ starts cold in a fight with Wilder, he could have some problems. However, if AJ fights the whole fight, snaps his jab, keeps pressure on, he will give Wilder some problems.

I don't know how important the competition that these guys have fought is, in determining what they will do against each other. AJ has developed more weapons, but Wilder has cut away all the fat... Much like David Haye, Wilder does not intend on a chess match in the ring. At some point he will windmill your a33 and you better be ready! Some say he flies across the ring as he windmills! and Chinese bad martial arts music plays in the background! Seriously, he is doing what I would do, developing his attack and making it as strong as possible...making sure that in any 36 minutes, divided by 3 minutes, per a round, per a fight that he will increase the number of times he can hit his opponent. So, if when he started, before developing the jab, if he got 2 opportunities every 3 rounds, using the jab, and skills to make it so he gets one opportunity a round.

So for AJ its in the skills and being prepared...For Wilder it is in the numbers...If he gets at least a certain amount of opportunities connecting, he will be victorious. predicting who would win at this point is fool's gold. No way to know. Fury beats both these guys if he can get in any decent shape. AJ needs a bit more time to develop technically...Fury has those skills etched in from his youth.

david haye was a boxer from the age of 10 ...not sure where you got that info from in the 1st place bill.
As for fury he has been extremely clever in his pro career and picked fighters that really were suited to his style.
Fury skill set when faced with a world class heavyweight will always get exposed.
Yes he beat WK but i think it was just one of those nights where it just worked for him but it was a horrendous fight from both fighters with very little action.
I look more to the fury who win a majority decision against chisora and was dropped by a cruiserweight cunningham.
Anthony joshua wouod beat fury every dsy of the week and on Sundays this i have no doubt about.
Fury has played a very good poker hand but now he has to show his cards.
Both joshua and wilder will make easy work of him mark my words.