-
-
larry back at it with his p4p bullsh-it. i already shut you up and that silly argument by pointing out sergio martinez was on the p4p list when he fought cotto. how do you explain that? a guy who can barely walk is one of the best boxers in the world? really now? maybe there are more factors and this list isnt the end all be all to boxing? maybe a 39 year old who barely sc****d by mayorga isn't really one of the best boxers in the world hmmm no he must be cause larry says so.Comment
-
Who did Floyd fight that was an all-time great? The p4p stuff and world champ stuff is watered down. p4p is mythical and maneuvered a lot on popularity and there's often 5-6 "champs" in one division at one time and titles are picked up and dropped so frequently.
Marquez and Pacquaio are the only two that are arguably all-time greats. Most Floyd fans would say Pacquaio is a terrible fighter too so just Marquez? That was hardly Marquez' best weight though especially at that time. He was a small lightweight who'd barely arrived at 135 and then he jumped up two more divisions. At a push De La Hoya and maaaaaybe even Mosley could be considered great but they'd be about the lowest possible standard of great and both were about a decade from their best and coming off major inactivity when they met Floyd.
I'm not saying you have to beat all-time greats to be an all-time great yourself but if you think Corrales is an all-time great or even a great fighter then your standards are incredibly low and/or very selective to suit your narrative.Comment
-
you have posts in here acting like GGG has done more then Mayweather...in what reality is that possible??
Manny and Juan and Oscar are ATG'S
Oscar
Manny
Juan
Mosley
Cotto
Gatti
Canelo
all hall of famers
Canelo
Corrales
Mosley
Juan
Manny
all p4p top 10 fighters
there is no debate on this the guy beat the who's who in the boxing worldComment
-
larry you purport(claim) to be a boxing fan so as a boxing fan and pretending you dont love floyd could you tell me when pac was at his best, how about mosley? how about hoya? etc...you will see its not right before they fought floyd as you wish it was but years and years before. corrales sure if you want to die on that hill go for it and a drained canelo well thats something i guess?Comment
-
Gatti is in there on popularity not as being an elite fighter. Scratch that. Canelo would also get in based on popularity more than his quality or his career up to this point. He fought Floyd when he had barely been tested once and many believe he lost to Trout. I agree the others are HOF though I think a big * would be next to Mosley since it's likely he was a juicer all the way through until he got outed. Cotto will get in but there's better fighters from previous era's that aren't in and maybe won't get in due to the way the IBHOF now works.
The p4p stuff is kind of crap to me. Corrales was #5 on the Ring list but nowhere else had him in the p4p rankings. Was he really better than Hopkins, Lewis, Morales, Barrera at that moment in time because one magazine said so? It's not an official ranking Larry.
I'm not knocking his resume or his career. He's a great fighter and one of the best but when I am assessing him I think more of his skill set, his longevity (which I do think like many other modern greats was helped by you know what) and quantity rather than the quality of individual wins. I think if I was to get 10 objective Boxing fans and we ranked the best 20-30 wins of the last 20 years, maybe even the best 50 wins I don't think there'd be one Floyd win in there. Like I said the Marquez fight essentially meant nothing, the Pacquaio one was almost useless beyond the $$ and the De La Hoya one (who I personally don't see as a great) wasn't special IMO. Oscar had 1 fight in 3 years and was clearly deteriorated. There's a lot of folks who felt that he lost that one or made it a lot closer than it should have been too.Comment
-
its complete and utter garbage. its what people think you could do not what you have done. look at corrales' resume when he fought floyd...robert garcia, manfredy, and derrik gainer. hmmm thats p4p #5? you can't be serious. later when corrales beat much better fighters: castillo, casamayor, freitas he was nowhere to be found on the list so its clear its complete fantasy and popularity basedComment
-
Borat stops Drainelo in under 5 rounds, he was a walking corpse.Comment
-
Yeah, Corrales proved himself later on. I personally think he lost all three to Casamayor and the Castillo win was a bit unfair but that's all subjective. He was a good fighter but yeah beating Garcia, a much smaller Gainer and a faded and completely weigh drained Manfredy wasn't enough to be considered elite.
A small tidbit that fanboys like to ignore is that he himself was drained like crazy and had the small distraction of a pending prison sentence distracting his camp. He took the fight as a cash out.Comment
Tweet
Comment