Al Haymon vs Eddie Hearn, How Does This All Shake Out

[Eff Pandas]

Hearn and Arum are pushing purses up, yet they have less top earners than PBC has to pay. All these PBC guys are gunna want more money now. How many are in the top earners? 15-20? Mid level guys will want more also. Hearn and Arum maybe a 1/3 of that. Hearn's budget has to cover 16 cards, PBC 50. I still dont think with these deals PBC has enough money, they have too many top guys whos demands are going to be going up.

Idk. If theres one thing PBC guys are it seems to be loyal. Broner's been offered deals by Roc Nation, Arum & Hearn now & turned them all down & lets be real AB isn't killing the boxing world quite like he was a few years back. And iirc RN offered him $40M or something crazy like that.

There have been a couple guys who left/asked to be released, but it seems like there is a large core group of PBC fighters who value Haymon for more reasons then boxing.

[Eff Pandas]

I can see Haymon realising that he and Hearn together could make a lot of money.

Thats an interesting angle. If Hearn & Haymon teamed up they probably could legit take over boxing. Hearn as the high level promoter, Haymon as the brains.

[BigZ44]

If PBC actually puts big fights on FOX, they will win. With that being said, I think Hearn is safe because DAZN seem to have gazillion's of dollars and they're committed to finding any angle they can to break into the US. Arum won't excel, but he'll do just fine on ESPN and with his stable having top end guys and high level prospects. People like Main Events and K2 however are probably going to have to align with one of these other groups in order to survive, I'm guessing Hearn is trying to make co-promotional deals with as many of their fighters as he can. If there's 1 "big time" promoter I'd be worried about right now, it would be Golden Boy. Outside Canelo, their stable is not what it used to be and ESPN2 and Facebook Streaming is only going to take you so far. Think they could be in trouble in a few years

[R_Walken]

I said in another thread w/e the budget DAZN is or isn't if it was $125M a year I can't believe it still is with the roster he's got. He's be overpaying the f#ck outta that group of guys if he spread out $125M/yr between them. I'm asking for my change back if I'm the guy writing the checks at DAZN.

Thing is Hearn is actually a promoter & can sell herpes to a whore. And PBC has left a lot to be desired in their matchmaking with their top guys. I've actually enjoyed manner of there non-top guys matchups which are often very solid matchups for us hardcore fans, but the bigger names don't seem to fight each other often enough. Will that change now that someone else is paying Haymon to show fights & this timesharing w/e situation is over? Idk, but I'd hope so.

So Hearn has the clear edge with the hyping of his product, but yea the fact PBC will be having FREEEEEEEEEEE (*Steve Kim voice*) content & Hearn will have to get guys to pay $10/mo for Joshua & his ragtag bunch of US fighters no one really cared about THAT much up til now is quite the hill to climb.

Hearn can definitely sell herpes to a wh.ore in the UK but he also has a great market / TV partner and also the UKs golden Child ( AJ) To sell his venereal diseases to the masses l, he hasn’t proved he can do the same thing in the States and what he’s done with Danny Jacobs as far as promoting him and building his profile has been a failure so far and I have a tough time imagining his card in Boston or Vargas /Dulhorme big baby /Adamek Card fair any better

Having to pay for Dazn for UK fighters or American fighters fans don’t care about is a huge hill to climb when compared to the other platforms availability and costs

Don’t think you can be too critical of PBC matchmaking, since its inception look at who their top shelf talent has faced

Thurman - Garcia , Porter , Guerrero
Garcia - Thurman , Porter
Porter - Broner , Thurman , Garcia
Lara - Hurd
Hurd - Trout , Lara
Spence - Brook
Wilder - Ortiz , Fury
Santa Cruz - Frampton (2) , Mares (2)
Badou - Stevenson , Coeverly , Degeale , Groves , Durrell
Jacobs - Gennady , Quillen
Quillen - Jacobs , Lee
Broner - Mikey , Porter , Vargas
Mikey - Easter , Broner
Charlos - Trout , j-rock ,

Plus many of his other top to mid range guys being put in competitive fights with Berto , Alexander ,Ortiz , Tank , Mares , Molina , Collozo , Durrell bros , Degeale , Frampton all having fought in fights the last couple
Years either with fighters mentioned above or other known talent in decent fights

And I’d like to believe after getting their budget at least doubled along with the amount of dates there will be even more quality fights in the future

As a whole
This is better then what TR puts their guys in against ( with the exception of Loma ) the rest Crawford , Valdez , Ramirez have all fought sh.it for the last 2-3 years

Matchroom put AJ in some good fights the last
Couple Years but Brook is back to fighting scrubs after getting curb stomped and left dead against
Gennady and Spence and Khan is fighting the Canadian B team before he lands a big fight. Bellew with Haye is decent though and Whyte been in some ok fights but matchrroms match ups don’t compare the quality of
Opponents PBC guys have fought

[KTFOKING]

Hearn and Arum are pushing purses up, yet they have less top earners than PBC has to pay. All these PBC guys are gunna want more money now. How many are in the top earners? 15-20? Mid level guys will want more also. Hearn and Arum maybe a 1/3 of that. Hearn's budget has to cover 16 cards, PBC 50. I still dont think with these deals PBC has enough money, they have too many top guys whos demands are going to be going up.

Where are you getting 50 shows from? He will have around ~18 on SHO, 12 on FS1 and 10 on fox. That's 40 shows, but the 12 on FS1 won't be the high budget cards like FOX/SHO. So if it is true that Haymon has more to spend than DAZN and has over $125 million, you allocate $115 million of that to the FOX/SHO cards (28 shows), and $10 or so million on the FS1 cards. Can adjust the numbers a bit but that's where you are at.

ESPN has to put on 30 shows themselves and probably have close to $55-65 million of a budget. So not sure how they have more to spend than Haymon.

Haymon may lose guys, but it won't be the top guys. Hearn may offer some B-sider insane money and that fighter won't be able to turn down that type of deal so he will make the move. But guys like Spence, Charlos, Broner, Thurman, Davis, Wilder, LSC, GRJ, DSG, Porter, Hurd, etc? HIGHLY unlikely they make the move to DAZN or ESPN. They are getting paid great and will have more exposure fighting on SHO/FOX. That's where Hearn is really up against it. DAZN is going to be a VERY rocky start but that is to be expected. So if you are a big name fighter in your prime, why would you make a move to DAZN right now? Get watched by less than a 100k people? While majority of the big names are still with Haymon? It would make no sense for Mikey to make the move to DAZN when everyone he wants to fight is either with Haymon or Top Rank (Lomachenko). Hearn's best bet is to sign some top prospects and build them up on DAZN for the next few years and hope DAZN eventually picks up rights to some major sports leagues that helps their brand exposure and ultimately increases the amount of subscribers.

Also, Haymon unlike any other promoter has his guys co-promote shows while getting a piece of the live gate and sell their own merchandise at the fights. He can do that since he just pays the promoters he uses set fees. Other promoters will want to make a profit off of the show, but in this case Haymon distributes that money to the fighters. So they end up making a lot more than their reported purse.

I don't see this as really a battle. At least for the time being it is not a competition at all. Haymon was able to keep all his top names and this is before he got the two new deals. Deals like that only tend to increase over time, not decrease just ask the UFC. So if Haymon plays it out, he can have a whole a lot more than his reported $125+ budget in three or four years. Hearn and DAZN have to worry about other factors that will determine their success.

[ELHITMAN606]

Haymon runs boxing in the states you may not like it but it's the truth he has the best stable the most most champions the best networks and now the most dates and money

[KTFOKING]

If PBC actually puts big fights on FOX, they will win. With that being said, I think Hearn is safe because DAZN seem to have gazillion's of dollars and they're committed to finding any angle they can to break into the US. Arum won't excel, but he'll do just fine on ESPN and with his stable having top end guys and high level prospects. People like Main Events and K2 however are probably going to have to align with one of these other groups in order to survive, I'm guessing Hearn is trying to make co-promotional deals with as many of their fighters as he can. If there's 1 "big time" promoter I'd be worried about right now, it would be Golden Boy. Outside Canelo, their stable is not what it used to be and ESPN2 and Facebook Streaming is only going to take you so far. Think they could be in trouble in a few years

FOX will definitely be getting big fights now. Won't get all of them as SHO will want their fair share, but we definitely won't be seeing many Ortiz vs Alexander or Berto vs Alexander headliners anymore.

GBP has some intriguing prospects. They lost pretty much everyone once the PBC launched so they had to start all over again. But with Canelo still being the biggest name in the sport, or at least stateside, they will be in decent position.

Main Events is in a terrible position. They lost their only leverage they had in Kovalev. That stable is pathetic and if you are a prospect, why would you want to sign with them over TR/Haymon/Schaefer? K2 doesn't put on many shows stateside minus GGG/Super Fly series but Hearn just did a co-promotional deal with Usyk. HBO will still stick around boxing as long as they have guys like Canelo/GGG, so K2 likely just continues doing what they are doing. But it would benefit some of their fighters to get on DAZN for sure. I recommended Main Events latching on DAZN with Hearn a few months ago, but then I looked at their roster and became disgusted lol.

Top Rank seems to have the deepest stable of prospects from anyone with star potential. If guys like Stevenson/Lopez end up becoming stars or even superstars? That will really help them because as of right now, they don't have many. Lomachenko/Crawford are the obvious ones and they are doing a nice job with Jose Ramirez in the Fresno area, but who else does good ratings for them? The ESPN ratings have been BRUTAL thus far. Partly because ESPN simply doesn't have the stable to fill the amount of dates they have so you get huge mismatches with no name main eventers. That's a bad combination there. ESPN I'm sure would love to do some co-promotional deals themselves to fill their dates (30 in total).