Comments Thread For: Terence Crawford vs. Jose Benavidez Finalized, October 13

[pillowfists98]

crawford is the peoples hypothetical champion. why is there no pressure on him to actually prove anything? hes p4p number 1 on many peoples lists (despite fighting noone above B level) and hes just fought jeff horn and now lining up to fight the world number 27. People used to crucify mayweather if he fought someone outside the top 5 but people are giving crawford a pat on the back for this, how on earth is benavidez a good opponent, who the hell has he fought? He was meant to move up to welter to prove himself, in fact his opposition looks as if its going backwards. These 'elite' fighters are meant to be held to a higher standard than everyone, im sick of watching crawford in fights where we know what the outcome is.

It ain't hypothetical. Crawford has already proven himself as being one of the best by dominating over multiple weight divisions. He has a better resume then Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence who are considered top p4p fighters.

[Madison Boxing]

Never got tired of GGG in those kind of fights doe........................

GGG still fought the best in his division i didnt see him going after the world number 27. Crawfords got good fighters in the division and its HIS actions that are stopping them, hes decided to stick with arums in house bum of the month club. If fights dont happen cause of promo issues its on him cause he knew what the deal was.

[Madison Boxing]

It ain't hypothetical. Crawford has already proven himself as being one of the best by dominating over multiple weight divisions. He has a better resume then Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence who are considered top p4p fighters.

not proven fully in my eyes at all. youve got to prove these things people cant just say hes the best welterweight based on eye test (i know u didnt say that but others have), youve got to prove it. this isnt fantasy boxing, its real life. we simply dont know how he'd do against top opposition cause hes never been in there with one. Rigondeaux looked like a million dollars and was a top 5 fixture in the p4p list until he actually had to prove it against loma. Different scenarios but people place WAY too much emphasis on how good fighters look beating scrubs.

[pillowfists98]

GGG still fought the best in his division i didnt see him going after the world number 27. Crawfords got good fighters in the division and its HIS actions that are stopping them, hes decided to stick with arums in house bum of the month club. If fights dont happen cause of promo issues its on him cause he knew what the deal was.

GGG could have always moved up. He didn't have to stick around fighting cans if he didn't want to. I think you've got a serious double standard here. Crawford btw has a better resume than GGG and has beaten more world champions despite being 6 years younger.

[The Big Dunn]

GGG still fought the best in his division i didnt see him going after the world number 27. Crawfords got good fighters in the division and its HIS actions that are stopping them, hes decided to stick with arums in house bum of the month club. If fights dont happen cause of promo issues its on him cause he knew what the deal was.

Vanes? Monroe? Brook? Stop it dude. He fought mostly garbage.

Well he surely could've signed with PBC . To do so would've meant putting himself in a position where he may not have fought at all while costing him millions.

Make sure you criticize Loma when he resigns with TR and it costs him a Mikey fight.

[McNulty]

Great fight. Cong**** to "Bud" on his contract extension with the Rank.

This is why fighters need promoters. Great match imo.

Meanwhile, cats like Spence are looking to catch mice.

[pillowfists98]

not proven fully in my eyes at all. youve got to prove these things people cant just say hes the best welterweight based on eye test (i know u didnt say that but others have), youve got to prove it. this isnt fantasy boxing, its real life. we simply dont know how he'd do against top opposition cause hes never been in there with one. Rigondeaux looked like a million dollars and was a top 5 fixture in the p4p list until he actually had to prove it against loma. Different scenarios but people place WAY too much emphasis on how good fighters look beating scrubs.

So all the fighters that Crawford beat at 140 were scrubs?? He may have made them look like scrubs but they were good fighters just the same. That just shows you the talent level.

[Madison Boxing]

Vanes? Monroe? Brook? Stop it dude. He fought mostly garbage.

Well he surely could've signed with PBC . To do so would've meant putting himself in a position where he may not have fought at all while costing him millions.

Make sure you criticize Loma when he resigns with TR and it costs him a Mikey fight.

monroe was ranked a lot higher than benavidez i bet. and it wasnt as if ggg had other fighters in his division which he wasnt interested in order to pursue them types of fights. how many good fighters are there at welter? if crawford grew some bollocks and told arum he wasnt signing a new deal then he opens himself up to ALL of them. His crap resume is from his own choice, fair play to him cause hes getting easy paydays for beating guys he doesnt have to get out of 2nd gear against and you guys lap it up, you love these exhibition bouts. Its like some addiction for you guys, watching overmatched opponents getting beat up, probs beat your meat to it.

[Boxing Logic]

A pattern I seem to notice on these forums - it seems the posters on here are always content with the fights they get from Arum and Top Rank. I see mostly positive comments for even average at best fights and even fighters.

In contrast, anything PBC/Showtime related gets slandered and plagued by negativity for some reason, especially the fighters themselves.

I'm simply wondering, why is this? What is so much more likable by Arum and Top Rank? I've always thought his quality of fights and cards are undoubtedly worse, personally.

This isnt the case with Crawford. Many are rightfully frustrated with all his easy matchups. But in general, you probably notice this because Top Rank tries to make better fights. Let's look at some of their major guys. TR made Loma-Salido in Loma's 2nd fight, then Loma-GRJ next (took GRJ like 25 fights to get to the level TR gave fans in 2 Loma fights). Contrast that to Haymon, Loma tried to fight Tank, it was Haymon's side that said no. Likewise Top Rank promotes Gvozdyk, they've wanted to fight Stevenson for awhile, but it was Haymon's side that delayed it and put off the good fight in order to deliver more mismatches.

Of course when that happens, if Gvozdyk is going to stay active, he will also have to take fights vs lesser opponents. So the end result might be that both Top Rank and PBC are airing equally bad fights on a night, but the knowledgeable fan will know one side tried to make the good fight, but the other side is the only side that keeps preventing the good fights, and therefore the knowledgeable fan will complain way more about the side responsible for ducking the good fights than they will complain about the other side that got stuck making a less than exciting fight because they were given no choice.

It reminds me of during GGG's prime, these biased fans would try to put Peter Quillin on the same level as GGG. You'd say Quillin isn't nearly as good, but they'd say, "actually Quillin's best win is just as good as GGG's, and GGG has never faced someone on Quillin's level" even though GGG tried to fight Quillin. They were comparing the two of them just on the surface, the same way you are comparing Top Rank to other promoters on the surface, but they were leaving out the key part which was that the reason GGG had not faced someone as good as Quillin at that point was because Quillin refused to fight him. You can't put the guy being ducked, and the guy ducking him, on the same level, simply because neither of them have fought each other. Yeah, because ONE of them SPECIFICALLY is ducking the fight.

That's an example in microcosm. Just apply it in macrocosm to your question, and you should get the point. It matters who is responsible for avoiding the fights we want to see, because usually it's only happening on one side. If Top Rank has the choice to make a great fight, but they make a bad one instead, THEN you see them get just as much criticism as Haymon or anyone else, but usually that is not how it goes. It was Top Rank that eventually tried to make Mikey vs Gamboa, and that is conveniently when Mikey left Top Rank to go to Haymon, and since then Haymon STILL has not put him in the ring with anyone close to as good as Gamboa was at 126/130 back then. That's how it works. Not Top Rank, but HBO, tried to make Kovalev-Stevenson. That's the exact moment Stevenson ran to Al Haymon, and five years later he STILL has not fought anyone HALF as good as the opponent HBO tried to put him in with.

See the pattern? Top Rank, or Main Events, or K2, or HBO, try to make great fights, so duckers run to Showtime where they can go five times as long without having to face anyone even half as good. So of course fans will criticize Showtime and Haymon, not the ones actually trying to make fights we want to see. The ones who prevent the good fights, fans will naturally criticize. The ones who try to make them will get praise, even if it doesn't always work out, so long as it's not their fault it didn't work out.

[Butch.McRae]

It ain't hypothetical. Crawford has already proven himself as being one of the best by dominating over multiple weight divisions. He has a better resume then Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence who are considered top p4p fighters.

Proven against who exactly? Just back it up with some solid info.

Btw, Spence has been pro half the time Crawford has and is 28. By the time he's 31, who knows where he'll be with all the PBC stable has for him.

Also, Garcia lost time fighting for his career and their resumes are about dead even in terms of quality.

Crawford has a lot to prove for that "all time" great tag.