Would Lomachenko be a top 100 ATG with this resume?

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  • chrisJS
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    #11
    Originally posted by The Big Dunn
    I was giving Loma every benefit of the doubt. I agree that people don't realize the depth of some resumes and what really should constitute a top 50 ATG.

    A while ago I laid out a resume where Loma IMO could be a top 10-15 ATG.I got to find that post.
    It's bordering on impossible for current guys to be top 10-15 all-time with the way the game is now. I think when ranking I will give style and pure dominance points/virtuoso performances. It is a easier to manipulate your schedule these days and there's obviously a smaller talent pool as a whole. For example I don't think Roy Jones has the type of resume that could be say top 40 all-time but I lean towards having him in due to his unbelievable talent level and so many virtuoso performances. I'd give Jose Napoles the benefit of the doubt too on his skills since he was factually avoided and frozen out until the absolute end of his physical prime and most suited weight classes (135-140) but still is universally a top 10, probably top 5 ever at 147. Soft skin, old age and challenging Monzon in Monzon's peak probably affected the way he's viewed but purely as a fighter I think at his best I'd really only pick Leonard, possibly Hearns of the last 50 years to outbox or outfight him of guys 147 and under. He was that good.

    Also unique accomplishments that were against odds/impossible to manipulate should help historical rankings perhaps even more than a single win. Holyfield has a lot of losses and even split bouts with a past 175-lbs champ and went 1-2 with Bowe but he gets a high historical ranking because of the uniquely brilliant achievement of being undisputed in two divisions.

    I think Lomachenko, Crawford and Usyk are the only three guys currently with a genuine chance of being in the top 50 ever. I think if Lomachenko and Crawford get the fights they'll make it but for top 25-30 I think they'll have to dominate, keep putting on similar level performances and really go against the odds once or twice.

    Long winded and there's no set way of evaluating sometimes best is confused with greatest. I think Lomachenko will rank higher in the best ranking than the greatest ranking. Same with Floyd, same with Whitaker, same with Jones and opposite of Pacquaio, Hopkins, Foreman, Monzon for example of fighters who's resumes and accomplishments appeared equal to or better than their skill set/talent level.

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    • boliodogs
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      #12
      Originally posted by VG_Addict
      What if Lomachenko retired with wins over Frampton, Garcia, Davis and the winner of Pedraza-Beltran? Where would you rank him on the ATG list?
      No offense meant but you don't have a top 100 all time great list all written down in neat order from the 1st best to the 100th best. Nobody reading this thread does either. Maybe a few have a top 10 all time great list but that is as long as such lists ever go. Without a written list nobody has a mental list of the top 100 either. To make an honest reasonably accurate list you would need a working knowledge of all the great fighters of the last 100 years or so. How many reading this have such knowledge? NONE. What you are really asking is for us to make a wild guess if he would belong in the top 100 boxers of all time without any real idea if our answer is accurate or not. If you can list the names of the 100 best boxers of all time then I can give you my guess as to if he would belong in the top 100 if he won those fights. Otherwise I can't answer your question because I have no idea who the 100 best boxers of all time really are. Do you?

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        #13
        Originally posted by larryxxx..
        who the hell has Roy Jones top 5?

        Who in history do you think can beat a prime Roy Jones?

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          #14
          Originally posted by Lopez_Boxing
          Who in history do you think can beat a prime Roy Jones?
          At what weight?

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            #15
            Originally posted by larryxxx..
            At what weight?
            At Roy Jones best weight. Think of the best Roy Jones you can think of and then who would you have besting him in the ring. No wrong answers. All just a matter of respectable opinions

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              #16
              Originally posted by Lopez_Boxing
              At Roy Jones best weight. Think of the best Roy Jones you can think of and then who would you have besting him in the ring. No wrong answers. All just a matter of respectable opinions
              175, Spinks,Archie Moore,langford?? in all the years of the sport I just dont feel he is unbeatable as I have seen him dropped by a nobody

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              • DuckAdonis
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                #17
                Boxrec currently has him at # 250 in the ATG list...they have Salido at 95 lol

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                • RL_GMA
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                  #18
                  I have no reserve in saying Lomachenko would be a Hall of Famer with his current resume along with his 3 division world titles, Olympic and Am career. With just 12 fights what he currently has, ATG status is and will always be subjective but I have 0 doubt hye gets in the Hall with what he's already done.
                  Last edited by RL_GMA; 08-22-2018, 03:29 PM.

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                  • chrisJS
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by RL_GMA
                    I have no reserve in saying Lomachenko would be a Hall of Famer with his current resume along with his 3 division world titles, Olympic and Am career. With just 12 fights what he currently has, ATG status is and will always be subjective but I have 0 doubt hye gets in the Hall with what he's already done.
                    I think he's already a shoe-in. If he retired today he'd be inducted in 2024.

                    He's touching greatness now. Let's see how he does. I think he'll be fine.

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                    • chrisJS
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Lopez_Boxing
                      Who in history do you think can beat a prime Roy Jones?
                      At 175 I think he'd lose to Spinks, Charles, Moore, Langford and I think Tunney, Conn, Foster and Loughran CAN beat him.

                      At 168 I think he'd be heavily favored over all but that division is 30 years old. At 160 it's hard to say because his championship sample size is smaller but Monzon, Tiger and Hagler would be more than a match for him.

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