Comments Thread For: Jennings-Dimitrenko ESPN Double Averaged 686,000 Viewers

[boogbx]

Do they count ESPN deportes ratings?

I watch all ESPN fights on ESPN deportes, since I prefer Delvin Rodriguez commentary and overall it is better.

If they don’t count them I’m pretty sure that is worth a couple hundred thousand and that means the broadcasts are closer to a million viewers.

Besides, enjoy the fights. Only idiots worry about ratings.

Enjoy the fights while they aired. I watched boxing
USA Tuesday’s, fox sports, ESPN Friday’a, showtime, HBO whatever.

Enjoy the boxing period.

Although I agree some
Of the cards have been terrible, Saturday’s was good and good showing from Jennings.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Why does Golden Boy spread themselves so thin with HBO, ESPN and Facebook watch when their roster is so weak? I really don't get it.

They got KingRy fighting on Facebook Sep 1st. He needs to be on ESPN or HBO.

[KTFOKING]

most TR cards are in Espn and not the app. 18 per year on ESPN 12 per year in the app

Okay? Who said otherwise?

[Scipio2009]

its more than pbc’s time buys lmao. And it’s enough that Crawford got 3 mil for Horn and Loma got over 2 for Linares and Linares side got 1.2 for the fight....

Crawford's last fight was behind the paywall, and even if your Lomachenko number is legit (have yet to find a single source that actually confirms that Lomachenko actually got $2m on the fight) the Lomachenko-Linares card was still put on for what Showtime publicly confirms as the payout for at least 10 of their shows every year, if not more.

https://www.******.com/384145-espn-announces-pbc-deal-friday-night-fights-to-end-may-22/

According to this one guy, who knows a guy, who knows what was put in the deal, Haymon apparently got the ESPN deal for $350k per date, for the 24 dates.

Top Rank signed over first rights to their full content library for the next 7 years, and how many fight dates on ESPN/ESPN+.

If you want to hang your pride on ESPN paying Top Rank $500k per TV date, you played yourself.

Because, for $300m per year, UFC is delivering 20 UFC Fight Night cards to ESPN+, 10 UFCFN cards to ESPN, shoulder programming for UFC's content, the prelim fights to UFC's 12 PPVs, Dana White's Tuesday Night Contender series for ESPN+, and shared rights to the UFC library in the US.

For 18 cards a year on ESPN, 36 cards a year on ESPN+ (with the dark matches for the 18 ESPN cards also added), and exclusive access to the full Top Rank Boxing library, you'd imagine that there'd be a dollar figure put out somewhere by now if the deal was even $250m over 7 years [$35m per year, matching the assumed Showtime/CBS boxing budget].

Crickets, though.

[killakali]

Crawford's last fight was behind the paywall, and even if your Lomachenko number is legit (have yet to find a single source that actually confirms that Lomachenko actually got $2m on the fight) the Lomachenko-Linares card was still put on for what Showtime publicly confirms as the payout for at least 10 of their shows every year, if not more.

https://www.******.com/384145-espn-announces-pbc-deal-friday-night-fights-to-end-may-22/

According to this one guy, who knows a guy, who knows what was put in the deal, Haymon apparently got the ESPN deal for $350k per date, for the 24 dates.

Top Rank signed over first rights to their full content library for the next 7 years, and how many fight dates on ESPN/ESPN+.

If you want to hang your pride on ESPN paying Top Rank $500k per TV date, you played yourself.

Because, for $300m per year, UFC is delivering 20 UFC Fight Night cards to ESPN+, 10 UFCFN cards to ESPN, shoulder programming for UFC's content, the prelim fights to UFC's 12 PPVs, Dana White's Tuesday Night Contender series for ESPN+, and shared rights to the UFC library in the US.

For 18 cards a year on ESPN, 36 cards a year on ESPN+ (with the dark matches for the 18 ESPN cards also added), and exclusive access to the full Top Rank Boxing library, you'd imagine that there'd be a dollar figure put out somewhere by now if the deal was even $250m over 7 years [$35m per year, matching the assumed Showtime/CBS boxing budget].

Crickets, though.

u just pulled a lot of numbers out of your azz. Top rank signed a 9 figure 7 year deal as written by Dan Rafael. Just because ESPN offered Haymon who has no library 350k a show (which u have no proof of) doesn’t mean that’s what they are lying TR. lol. U make this stuff up with your assumptions. TR would have just stayed at HBO if this was the case.

Showtime hasn’t ever released their yearly boxing budget. And PBC hasn’t released any info

Guys like Zurdo Ramirez made almost a million fighting a stiff in his last fight.

And Crawford getting 3 mil wasn’t behind a pay wall. It’s the same as watching a fight in showtime. U have to pay a monthly fee just like u do for showtime fights with the difference being the app is less than half the price. Crawford got over 2 mil for Indongo on ESPN and Loma got 1.5 for Marriaga on ESPN. TR has the best deal in boxing.

[Scipio2009]

note there hs never been any mention of Showtime and Haymon’s deal or GBP and HBOs deal.

Showtime has had their 2015, 2016, and 2017 schedule all in the historic public record [The Oscar cast aside was what it was in mid 2014, but let's start with 2015 for clarity's sake], the 2018 schedule is public record, and you can basically find the disclosed guarantees for every fight that Showtime Championship Boxing has aired if you wanted to.

Showtime is a buyer of fights, though, with the schedule filling in as fights come up and Stephen Espinoza sees fit.

Top Rank is under a binding content deal, where they owe Disney 54 shows a year, for 7 years, yet there's no idea what the obligation is worth, lol

[killakali]

Showtime has had their 2015, 2016, and 2017 schedule all in the historic public record [The Oscar cast aside was what it was in mid 2014, but let's start with 2015 for clarity's sake], the 2018 schedule is public record, and you can basically find the disclosed guarantees for every fight that Showtime Championship Boxing has aired if you wanted to.

Showtime is a buyer of fights, though, with the schedule filling in as fights come up and Stephen Espinoza sees fit.

Top Rank is under a binding content deal, where they owe Disney 54 shows a year, for 7 years, yet there's no idea what the obligation is worth, lol

There most definitely is an idea what the obligation is worth. It is on the contract lol. They didn't make it public and that bothers the f**k out of you because you so much hope and pray it isn't for a lot of money because your hate is deep lol.


Post a link of where Showtime shows what they pay per show since 2015. I don't think it exists. They don't disclose their boxing budget just like HBO doesn't. You can't go by fighter purses either because many times Haymon or other promoters go into their pockets to make fights happen and lose money.


Judging by purses paid to Pacquiao, Crawford, Loma, Linares, Gilberto Ramirez, Jose Ramirez etc the license fees are a lot more than you think.


Having security for 7 years is the best deal in boxing. They can do a lot of long term planning plus having the best prospects from the 2016 Olympics puts them in a great position.

[Scipio2009]

Why does Golden Boy spread themselves so thin with HBO, ESPN and Facebook watch when their roster is so weak? I really don't get it.

Golden Boy is heading back to HBO when the ESPN deal is up, and they need to have some fighters in hand to feature on the HBO shows financed by Alvarez's PPVs.

Joseph Diaz Jr, Ryan Garcia, Diego de la hoya, Jason Quigley; Munguia will likely be signed to be fed to Alvarez at some point.

You secure enough talent to take all of the Canelo derived TV money (PPV is a sus business, but 3-5 dates isn't unheard of as a PPV year residual), and Golden Boy gets even more chances to stumble on that next talent to blow.

If the Facebook thing works out, don't be shocked to see that become the model for Golden Boy; small shows that would've been on Estrella or ESPN2 are moving to Facebook, building names that would then be used to fill in the HBO residual shows and Alvarez's PPVs.

[Scipio2009]

u just pulled a lot of numbers out of your azz. Top rank signed a 9 figure 7 year deal as written by Dan Rafael. Just because ESPN offered Haymon who has no library 350k a show (which u have no proof of) doesn’t mean that’s what they are lying TR. lol. U make this stuff up with your assumptions. TR would have just stayed at HBO if this was the case.

Showtime hasn’t ever released their yearly boxing budget. And PBC hasn’t released any info

Guys like Zurdo Ramirez made almost a million fighting a stiff in his last fight.

And Crawford getting 3 mil wasn’t behind a pay wall. It’s the same as watching a fight in showtime. U have to pay a monthly fee just like u do for showtime fights with the difference being the app is less than half the price. Crawford got over 2 mil for Indongo on ESPN and Loma got 1.5 for Marriaga on ESPN. TR has the best deal in boxing.

If you have a source for this alleged nine figure deal (according to your own words, you're saying that Top Rank is getting at least $100m here; whether that's the whole deal or per year is still unclear from what you've said), share it. Dan Rafael works for arguably the leading sports website in the United States, so if you're saying that he wrote something to that effect, a link shouldn't be that hard to find.

The ****** story, which I gave you the link for, said Haymon allegedly paid $8m for his 24 dates over the two years with ESPN. Simple math would then have Haymon PAYING ESPN just under $335k per show.

And if you honestly think that HBO was still bending to Arum, you're kidding yourself.

[Scipio2009]

There most definitely is an idea what the obligation is worth. It is on the contract lol. They didn't make it public and that bothers the f**k out of you because you so much hope and pray it isn't for a lot of money because your hate is deep lol.


Post a link of where Showtime shows what they pay per show since 2015. I don't think it exists. They don't disclose their boxing budget just like HBO doesn't. You can't go by fighter purses either because many times Haymon or other promoters go into their pockets to make fights happen and lose money.


Judging by purses paid to Pacquiao, Crawford, Loma, Linares, Gilberto Ramirez, Jose Ramirez etc the license fees are a lot more than you think.


Having security for 7 years is the best deal in boxing. They can do a lot of long term planning plus having the best prospects from the 2016 Olympics puts them in a great position.

Tuned in for Loma-Rigo, tuned in for Loma-Linares, and tuned in for Crawford-Indongo. Watched Pacquiao-Horn because my brother wanted to watch, but miss me with most of the rest of those BS matchups. [Watched Crawford-Horn on Dailymotion after the fact]

You can't say that Promoter A can only pay their fighters by losing money on every show, while Promoter B has no such issue because their undisclosed site fee covers everything, lol.

If the money realy was as good as you seem to want to believe it is, the viewing public would be getting far better fights on