Your Top 10 P4P Best Ever List!!!!

[THE REAL NINJA]

Yeah, I understand.

But on the subject of putting Roy ahead of Ali, I wouldn't discredit anybody for doing it.
*Awaits flamage*
I'm not a Roy nuthugger, I prefer Ali as a fighter, but the reason I say this, he acheived alot more, the second Middleweight to win the Heavyweight title, ever.
I mean, that's unheard of, he didn't 'lose' a fight in his prime, he just didn't know when to quit.

Ali is the only real 4 time HVW champ and you could even say only real 3 time champ

[Shanus]

Anyway, On subject.

1 - Ray Robinson.
2 - Willy Pep.
3 - Henry Armstrong.
4 - Muhammad Ali.
5 - Benny Leonard.
6 - Sandy Saddler.
7 - Joe Louis
8 - Roberto Duran.
9 - Ray Leonard.
10 - Sang Lamford.

[K-DOGG]

Roberto Duran is on my list because when he was prepared, when he was finely tuned, at his best, he was a pure fighting machine. He had no quit, gave no quarter, asked none, came into the ring to rip your head off and stomp on your tonsils. He had a devastating punch at Lightweight which dropped Iran Barkly when he was 37 years old, had great head movement and defense. If there was ever a more relaxed fighter in the ring than Duran, I don't know who he is.

He dominated teh 135 Lb division with the viciousness of a mini-tyrant. He fought the best welterweight in the world just two years after he fought last at 135 (that's a 12 Lb jump against one of the best fighters who ever lived, Leonard) and gave him merry hell for 15 rounds, winning a decision. He went toe to toe with Ray Leonard, who had a devastating left hook, and beat Ray up. Yes, Leonard held his own; but we're talking about an extremely physical match against a naturally bigger man. Also, Duran damn near outboxed the best Middleweight in the world in 1984 and had the bigger punching Hagler boxing him instead of going for the kayo. Look how Hagler played it safe in the 15th round...against a former Lightweight...that's saying something. Hagler was a natural middleweight (160 Lbs) and Duran started off lower than the Lightweight division where he won his first world title (135). Think about that. He was also one of the few men to ever win World titles in four divisions...real titles, beating Buhanan, Leonard, Moore, and Barkely. And...still gave Camacho trouble (beat him really the first time) at age 44.

Duran, like Robinson and a few others, was a natural fighter and if you take him at his best and put him in the ring with any of the others on the list, he would not only hold his own, he'd beat many of them.

That's why I rank him so highly. He was that damn good.

[THE REAL NINJA]

Roberto Duran is on my list because when he was prepared, when he was finely tuned, at his best, he was a pure fighting machine. He had no quit, gave no quarter, asked none, came into the ring to rip your head off and stomp on your tonsils. He had a devastating punch at Lightweight which dropped Iran Barkly when he was 37 years old, had great head movement and defense. If there was ever a more relaxed fighter in the ring than Duran, I don't know who he is.

He dominated teh 135 Lb division with the viciousness of a mini-tyrant. He fought the best welterweight in the world just two years after he fought last at 135 (that's a 12 Lb jump against one of the best fighters who ever lived, Leonard) and gave him merry hell for 15 rounds, winning a decision. He went toe to toe with Ray Leonard, who had a devastating left hook, and beat Ray up. Yes, Leonard held his own; but we're talking about an extremely physical match against a naturally bigger man. Also, Duran damn near outboxed the best Middleweight in the world in 1984 and had the bigger punching Hagler boxing him instead of going for the kayo. Look how Hagler played it safe in the 15th round...against a former Lightweight...that's saying something. Hagler was a natural middleweight (160 Lbs) and Duran started off lower than the Lightweight division where he won his first world title (135). Think about that. He was also one of the few men to ever win World titles in four divisions...real titles, beating Buhanan, Leonard, Moore, and Barkely. And...still gave Camacho trouble (beat him really the first time) at age 44.

Duran, like Robinson and a few others, was a natural fighter and if you take him at his best and put him in the ring with any of the others on the list, he would not only hold his own, he'd beat many of them.

That's why I rank him so highly. He was that damn good.

well i'm sold that is all very true guess i'll have to re-think him

[Rane-Ex54]

Roberto Duran is on my list because when he was prepared, when he was finely tuned, at his best, he was a pure fighting machine. He had no quit, gave no quarter, asked none, came into the ring to rip your head off and stomp on your tonsils. He had a devastating punch at Lightweight which dropped Iran Barkly when he was 37 years old, had great head movement and defense. If there was ever a more relaxed fighter in the ring than Duran, I don't know who he is.

He dominated teh 135 Lb division with the viciousness of a mini-tyrant. He fought the best welterweight in the world just two years after he fought last at 135 (that's a 12 Lb jump against one of the best fighters who ever lived, Leonard) and gave him merry hell for 15 rounds, winning a decision. He went toe to toe with Ray Leonard, who had a devastating left hook, and beat Ray up. Yes, Leonard held his own; but we're talking about an extremely physical match against a naturally bigger man. Also, Duran damn near outboxed the best Middleweight in the world in 1984 and had the bigger punching Hagler boxing him instead of going for the kayo. Look how Hagler played it safe in the 15th round...against a former Lightweight...that's saying something. Hagler was a natural middleweight (160 Lbs) and Duran started off lower than the Lightweight division where he won his first world title (135). Think about that. He was also one of the few men to ever win World titles in four divisions...real titles, beating Buhanan, Leonard, Moore, and Barkely. And...still gave Camacho trouble (beat him really the first time) at age 44.

Duran, like Robinson and a few others, was a natural fighter and if you take him at his best and put him in the ring with any of the others on the list, he would not only hold his own, he'd beat many of them.

That's why I rank him so highly. He was that damn good.

Wow you make a really good case for him. I guess your first couple sentence's though is why I never ranked him very high. He was somewhat inconsistent to me. And although a beast in the ring, when I think of him I always think of Hearns cranking his face with a right & him giving up "no mas" on leonard II. Still a great fighter in my book thou.

[K-DOGG]

In truth, the second Leonard fight bothers me more than the Hearns disaster. That right of Hearns was a monster, a creature with a life all it's own and it landed perfectly. I can't imagine anyone ever at 154 being able to stand errect if hit with that particular shot. Bone chilling, really.

The second Leonard fight bothers me; but I think it was a combination of Duran not being in the best shape and his tremendous pride. Leonard was making him looke foolish...and the fight was close on the scorecards, btw. Duran was a warrior and wanted a real fight while Leonard was treating it like a show. Duran, IMO, quit because he was being embarrased....and I'd be willing to bet there's not a day that goes by that he doesn't mentally kick himself for that decision.

Roberto, from what I understand is an impulisive type of personality and I believe that decision to quit was an impulsive act that he has regretted ever since....but his tremendous pride would never allow him to admit it.