Your Top 10 P4P Best Ever List!!!!

[K-DOGG]

Walker Smith Jr was a good fighter, as was Robert Fitzsimmons.

Yes, Walker was the best, IMO.

[Smokin']

K-Dogg, you don't understand what p4p is. I suggest you go look it up. *Hint* Around Benny Leonard's time *Hint*

[K-DOGG]

K-Dogg, you don't understand what p4p is. I suggest you go look it up. *Hint* Around Benny Leonard's time *Hint*

Actually, I've got about the most stringent definition of pound-for-pound on these boards, IMO.

[THE REAL NINJA]

To hard to make a list like that. To many great fighters

i agree plus think of the fighters that never make the list like Tyson at middleweight with the power and speed he had at 220 lbs what would he be like in a 160 pound body ..p4p Ali and Tyson had some of the fastest hands ever which would go a long way at any weight

[THE REAL NINJA]

Walker Smith Jr was a good fighter, as was Robert Fitzsimmons.

who is that ? ha ha ha ha

[K-DOGG]

To me, pound-for-pound implies all around ability no matter what weight class...which means it could and qutie possibly should be applied to heavyweights as well. It's skill, speed, power, ability to take a punch, stamina, heart, talent, etc. In other words if there were no weight classes and all men were the same size, who is the most "complete" fighter....meaning you could put a Mike Tyson in the ring with a Sugar Ray Robinson and threre would be no weight differential and all physical aspects would be proportional. It would be Ray against Mike with their relative hand speed and power, there individual skills, intestinal fortitude, movement, and coping abilities against each other.

In such a match, I would pick Robinson by a late round stoppage.


If anyone feels this is an incorrect definition of "pound-for-pound", please say so and Why.

[K-DOGG]

If I were going to include heavyweights on my p4p list, it would look like this: (today )

1.-Ray Robinson
2.-Harry Greb
3.-Muhammad Ali
4.-Henry Armstrong
5.-Roberto Duran
6.-Robert Fitzsimmons
7.-Joe Louis
8.-Sam Langford
9.-Joe Gans
10.-Jimmy Wilde

[THE REAL NINJA]

If I were going to include heavyweights on my p4p list, it would look like this: (today )

1.-Ray Robinson
2.-Harry Greb
3.-Muhammad Ali
4.-Henry Armstrong
5.-Roberto Duran
6.-Robert Fitzsimmons
7.-Joe Louis
8.-Sam Langford
9.-Joe Gans
10.-Jimmy Wilde

why do people put Duran so high ? i mean the way that SRL beat him you would think that Ali,RJ,Toney,PBF, and fighters like them would be able to beat him

[Rane-Ex54]

K-Dogg thats a good list. I'm still suspect as to why you have Roberto Duran in there, especially so high.

[Shanus]

Well, if you're talkin to me...I have a real problem ranking heavyweights on p4p lists. I just always have because the p4p rankings were invented initially to properly put the smaller men in perspective. Manny Pacquaio, for example, would be stuff on the matt should he get in the ring with Calvin Brock; but he's a better fighter that Brock. Obvious, I know; but it just makes it extraordinarily difficult for me to put any big man on a pound-4-pound list. If I were going to, Ali and Louis would definetly be on it, though.

Yeah, I understand.

But on the subject of putting Roy ahead of Ali, I wouldn't discredit anybody for doing it.
*Awaits flamage*
I'm not a Roy nuthugger, I prefer Ali as a fighter, but the reason I say this, he acheived alot more, the second Middleweight to win the Heavyweight title, ever.
I mean, that's unheard of, he didn't 'lose' a fight in his prime, he just didn't know when to quit.