Comments Thread For: Chavez Sr: Canelo-Golovkin Has High Possibility of KO Ending

[Smash]

could not root for the guy who lied to his fans for YEARS but then avoided anyone with a pulse

cant think of anyone off the top of my head who he avoided, who are these people?

[Dark Jedi]

Ill bet this fight is going 12 Rounds

Canelo will do a Floyd on GGG - He will outbox Genady after rd 5, and will be the clear winner. When asked about the "Mexican style" he will say he won and that's all that matters.

[aboutfkntime]

cant think of anyone off the top of my head who he avoided, who are these people?

1) he made a bunch of silly excuses to avoid Sergio Mora in a showcase on HBO, preferring instead to fight a NO-HOPER in Monaco on free-TV

Mora was an ex-champ who had clearly faded, which is the ideal opponent for a young fighter attempting to establish himself on the world-stage..... boxing has always worked that way.....

NOT saying that Golovkin could not have beaten Mora, just that the Latin Snake is a known mover/spoiler who is notoriously difficult to look good against..... and they were not willing to risk failing to put Mora away, looking bad in the process, or..... worse

when I heard Loeffler stuttering and stammering his way through half-a-dozen silly excuses, I knew what was up..... that was ridiculous..... because insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not an unknown NO-HOPER on free TV who is WORSE

missing opportunities like that, and with guys like Cotto..... is why Golovkin only has 97k fans..... he needed those type of fights

2) they did the exact same thing to Lara and Ward, who are both also known mover/spoilers who are notoriously difficult to look good against.....

Lara would have been Golovkin's best opponent to date at that point..... and once again, insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not guys like Willie Monroe, Wade, Brook, etc.....

3) Ward..... they promised to fight Ward at 168..... a) they killed the fight in June 2015 by demanding a catchweight they knew would kill the fight..... b) in September 2015 they refused that fight in 36 minutes flat

4) the superstar Cotto, should have been the ultimate goal of every fighter from 140-160..... at that point in time, Cotto was the very best option, because May/Pac were totally unrealistic and never going to happen

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refusing to negotiate on weight with the little old faded SUPERSTAR Miguel Cotto..... is the 2nd most bizarre occurrence within boxing that I have witnessed within the last decade

I cannot believe how little was spoken about that situation, both from the media and from the fans..... totally bizarre..... every other fighter from 140-160 would have cut off one of his fingers for that fight, and yet Golovkin would not so much as lift his little finger to make that fight, totally refusing to drop a single pound to fight the 153lb superstar

then a few months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo..... Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154 but nobody would step up..... WTF???

those are the exact type of fights that Golovkin should have taken

5) they specifically promised to fight Canelo at 154..... but as above, when shht got real they tucked tail and ran from that fight..... and just like above, 6 months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo, Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154, but nobody would step up.....



6) Derevyanchenko - and Golovkin got stripped

7) Saunders..... why the fcuk would Golovkin select a total NO-HOPER in Vanes, when Saunders was running around with his "dream"..... calling him Pvssy-Borat.,.... and offering to fight him in June???

a unification > a mando, so Golovkin would not have been stripped for refusing to fight Derevyanchenko..... instead, Golovkin avoided TWO threats, selected an inactive JMW, and got stripped for his troubles in the process.....

..... come on, that is the 3rd most bizarre situation within the sport that I have witnessed..... two of those situations being created by Golovkin

btw, fcuk you for making me type all of that..... I will simply bookmark it..... for the next bullshht artist who wants to play dumb

if you think all of that happened by coincidence, you are a fkn dreamer

[Shadoww702]

Well Canelo better take a course in basically house wiring because your promise of him lighting Golovkin up like a Christmas Tree fell flat on it's face in the first fight. Better yet get someone to take his place that has a clue..

Lol that Draw made you really salty. Do I have to have the suicide hotline on speed dial for you Sept. 15th???

[Shadoww702]

cant think of anyone off the top of my head who he avoided, who are these people?

Andre Ward and he just gave up his belt to Sergiy. Didnt even put up a fight for it.

[Smash]

btw, fcuk you for making me type all of that..... I will simply bookmark it..... for the next bullshht artist who wants to play dumb

if you think all of that happened by coincidence, you are a fkn dreamer

wow that was a ****ing essay u wrote there, definitely bookmark that one for the future, i cant really comment on all those scenarios but im not so hot on these catchweight fights or he should have move up/down stuff, just my opinion

[Smash]

Andre Ward and he just gave up his belt to Sergiy. Didnt even put up a fight for it.

i dont blame him for not moving up to fight ward, ward is a spoiling fighter it would have stank more than likely, if he was getting canelo type money then maybe

as for the derevewhatever fella, i can undertand that too, the canelo rematch is the big cash fight, canelo drugs, vanes standing in keep warm fight late call up, canelo a few months away in sept, makes a lot of sense, thats a good call, thats canelos fault, his mess, too much money on the line for that one imo, if dere was a star then i could understand

[TonyGe]

Lol that Draw made you really salty. Do I have to have the suicide hotline on speed dial for you Sept. 15th???

Hey I'm a fan of Golovkin because I like his character, he's a clean fighter. I like fighters that are agressive and I like guys who move if they fight by the rules and give it their all. I was still a fan of Tommy Hearns and Duran, Lennox Lewis etc. even after their loses. I supported Duran even after his no mas fight with Leonard. I'm not going to abandon Golovkin if he loses. Sorry to disappoint you. I realize you see boxing with a very narrow and biased perserspective and have a hard time comprehending what I'm saying. On the flip side I won't support Canelo if he wins. I don't like his character.. I don't like the fact he fought above his weight limit in numerous fights and still claimed to be a JM. He got preferential treatment as far as I can see by the santioning bodies and the NSAC.

[Joe Beamish]

Actually, there's very little chance of a KO in this fight.

Both guys have great chins.

Canelo is safe because he has good defense and enough respectable power to keep Golovkin from taking chances.

Golovkin is safe because Canelo keeps his offense to short spurts each round, not wanting to mix it up for long.

So, it will be another draw-ish fight with at least one GoldenBoy judge to help sway the decision Canelo's way.

No KO likely at all.

[S7V7N]

One essay deserves another...

1) he made a bunch of silly excuses to avoid Sergio Mora in a showcase on HBO, preferring instead to fight a NO-HOPER in Monaco on free-TV

Mora was an ex-champ who had clearly faded, which is the ideal opponent for a young fighter attempting to establish himself on the world-stage..... boxing has always worked that way.....

NOT saying that Golovkin could not have beaten Mora, just that the Latin Snake is a known mover/spoiler who is notoriously difficult to look good against..... and they were not willing to risk failing to put Mora away, looking bad in the process, or..... worse

when I heard Loeffler stuttering and stammering his way through half-a-dozen silly excuses, I knew what was up..... that was ridiculous..... because insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not an unknown NO-HOPER on free TV who is WORSE

missing opportunities like that, and with guys like Cotto..... is why Golovkin only has 97k fans..... he needed those type of fights

Mora turned down a fight with Golovkin earlier in his career. Then wants big money while doing nothing to earn it! Basic economics of boxing is it needs to be a draw for the fight to sell & pay both fighters what they're looking for. Has Loeffler been cheap to some opponents? Sure, but that's always been a used strategy for any promoter's fighter who's trying to build a name. I'll give you some quotes direct from Mora himself regarding the missed opportunity.

“I was offered [Golovkin] before he became a champion and a HBO sweetheart and declined. Too much risk, no reward. Now that he’s on top I will take the opportunity and expose the gorilla. Styles make fights. His style is basic,” Mora stated.

“I’m with Lou DiBella, so if they offer me a Golovkin fight and the money is more than Curtis Stevens got, I’m taking it. That’s another thing; they say [Golovkin]’s the most avoided but we’re not really seeing the offers that are being made to the opponents. I know Stevens got high 200,000s, $290,000. If that’s the offer that most opponents are being offered to fight Golovkin, then most of them are just scared.

“They make that offer over $300,000, I’m taking the fight. Absolutely.”

This comes days after Abel Sanchez, trainer of Gennady Golovkin said, “Mora’s own mom wouldn’t go see him fight…he is that boring.” It seems as though Mora now realizes he is labeled and it is up to him and only him to break out of the mold to get a big fight and the one fight that he wants badly is one that hardly anyone seems interested in, Mr. Golovkin.

2) they did the exact same thing to Lara and Ward, who are both also known mover/spoilers who are notoriously difficult to look good against.....

Lara would have been Golovkin's best opponent to date at that point..... and once again, insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not guys like Willie Monroe, Wade, Brook, etc.....

Lara did some talking but never moved up to MW to bring any pressure on GGG to actually take the fight.

"No, I haven't heard from his camp. Team Golovkin has seen a whole lot of fighters use his name and star power to promote their own careers without any intention of fighting him. (Lara has) called GGG’s name many times without any intentions of fighting him. I mean from our side we're pretty neutral. We do have an exclusive contract with HBO. I haven't approached the topic yet with HBO, if they would even approve someone like Lara. But if that becomes more of a serious conversation, that's something we'll certainly approach them with," said Loeffler.

"People think everyone is avoiding Golovkin. They say no one wants to fight Gennady, but we are ready to make that fight. If the money is right, we would love to do a mega-fight against the best middleweight in the world as Gennady Golovkin." DeCubas said.

3) Ward..... they promised to fight Ward at 168..... a) they killed the fight in June 2015 by demanding a catchweight they knew would kill the fight..... b) in September 2015 they refused that fight in 36 minutes flat

Ward simply used this as a publicity stunt after the Lemieux fight was already in the works. Golovkin was asked about Ward in 2012. There was no interest on Andre's side at that time. 3 years pass & the talk had never really went away so when Ward became active again & fought Smith in the summer of 2015 Loeffler sent him an offer. Why did Andre wait a month to return a letter? Why would GGG cancel his desire to fight Canelo for Ward? Why did Ward immediately leave the SMW division & in effect cancel any opportunity to fight Golovkin in the near future? Andre hadn't made 168 since Dawson in 2012 & never fought there again. Here's some links/quotes for you to mull over.

Before Ward even fought Dawson the matchup was brought up.
Mar 17, 2012
"Andre Ward?" I asked.
"Maybe, yes," Golovkin said.

Ward vs Smith was June 20th & Andre weighed 171.8.
Golovkin made the 50/50 offer in July. (just two weeks after Ward made his return)
Ward himself says they sent the letter in August. (a month after receiving it)
That same month Hunter says "We're not leaving the super middleweight division until we take care of unfinished business and get things that we need to get done."
His next fight though was against Barrera he was at 174.8.

How is that keeping the fight alive?

By August Ward says "I don't think I can make 168 anymore."

4) the superstar Cotto, should have been the ultimate goal of every fighter from 140-160..... at that point in time, Cotto was the very best option, because May/Pac were totally unrealistic and never going to happen

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refusing to negotiate on weight with the little old faded SUPERSTAR Miguel Cotto..... is the 2nd most bizarre occurrence within boxing that I have witnessed within the last decade

I cannot believe how little was spoken about that situation, both from the media and from the fans..... totally bizarre..... every other fighter from 140-160 would have cut off one of his fingers for that fight, and yet Golovkin would not so much as lift his little finger to make that fight, totally refusing to drop a single pound to fight the 153lb superstar

then a few months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo..... Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154 but nobody would step up..... WTF???

those are the exact type of fights that Golovkin should have taken

5) they specifically promised to fight Canelo at 154..... but as above, when shht got real they tucked tail and ran from that fight..... and just like above, 6 months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo, Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154, but nobody would step up.....

You say that GGG's demand for CW for Ward killed the fight, but neither Cotto or Canelo's demand did the same for GGG? Golovkin was the WBC mandatory for both AT MW! It was a fight for a title. There's no reason to give in to demands of a CW when fighting for a title. The CW demand by each was simply a way to avoid their mandatory while claiming they're not MW's even though they owned the WBC MW belt. If Golovkin had given a bit, then the line would have simply moved again. Flat fee, not a draw, no resume...yadda, yadda. The fact is that both avoided their mandatory, took on weaker foes for LESS MONEY rather than fight Golovkin.

6) Derevyanchenko - and Golovkin got stripped

Still have no concrete evidence that SD would have taken Vanes money for this fight or even been able to negotiate in the short amount of time needed. We do know that SD & DJ's drew out negotiations even though they had the same team! We also know that Golovkin was still working towards tougher opponents for bigger money!

7) Saunders..... why the fcuk would Golovkin select a total NO-HOPER in Vanes, when Saunders was running around with his "dream"..... calling him Pvssy-Borat.,.... and offering to fight him in June???

a unification > a mando, so Golovkin would not have been stripped for refusing to fight Derevyanchenko..... instead, Golovkin avoided TWO threats, selected an inactive JMW, and got stripped for his troubles in the process.....

..... come on, that is the 3rd most bizarre situation within the sport that I have witnessed..... two of those situations being created by Golovkin

BJS was already signed to fight Murray. He had canceled once already due to injury & was known that he wouldn't be ready until late June at the earliest. The timelines didn't match up for either side since GGG knew he still wanted Canelo in Sept. Once again, Saunders had two opportunities to take this fight back in 2016 but didn't take either. A simple case of you passing the buck & moving the goalpost to a later date when GGG couldn't take either fight in 2017/2018 due to timelines of a bigger fight for more money with Canelo. Let's not forget that Golovkin was ready once again to fight Saunders if the Canelo re-match fell through, yet you place blame on GGG for not fighting him? The blame is squarely on BJS for passing up on his chance.

Golovkin would beat me & Eubank on the same night," said Saunders.

"I believe I'm a better champion than Lemieux was so deserve more. They are offering life changing money but it's not just about that because it would be a big risk for me. I know he wants to clean up the division, but I have to do what is best for my career. Realistically I am 18 months away from that fight," said Saunders.

“It won’t be Golovkin in April, that’s the date we were offered. It’s about making the fight on the right terms and more importantly at the right time,” Warren said.

6 months later Loeffler again made an offer.

"He says he wants it, [Saunders] and I know he wants it. That’s all about money. If the money is not right, then I can’t let it happen. It’s got to be right, because he’s seriously, seriously going into the lion’s den - a monster. He's going in there with him. The bottom line is that fight is a tough fight. I'm not saying if you get beat it's the end of the world, because it wouldn't be, but that's a tough fight. And if you’re going in with a guy [like Golovkin], then you have got to be paid for it", Warren said.

"We had numerous discussions first with Frank Warren and (Billy Joe) Saunders and that seemed to not go very far. It looks like Saunders wants to keep that WBO title for as long as possible without having to fight Gennady. When it comes to actually signing the contract it's,'Well, we'll fight him the next fight"" said Loeffler.