can you only outbox someone by retreating and sitting on the ropes?

[Madison Boxing]

seems to be that people automatically assume thats the 'sweet scientist' in there. The one forcing the fight is the crude plodder and the one running is the pugilists choice.
Cant you stand your ground and fight and outbox the other fighter that way?
I dont see lomachenko running to the ropes all fight but he still manages to show off his skills without it turning into some bar room brawl. Thats a true elite skillset, not someone with an imitation of being a 'master boxer'.
Quit congratulating fighters for not engaging.

[WhatDisButtonDo]

I see where this is going, but you're both right.
I love outboxers and prefer their style, but if you are boxing on television, entertainment and crowd pleasing are just as important, if not more, than winning.

As much as we crap on Floyd, Floyd could fight moving, fight still, fight using lateral movement and his defense was just as good, same with Lomachenko, same with Ward.
If these guys were some master boxers they would be able to pin their opponent on the backfoot and mount their own offense. I hate watching boxers that can only move and use a 1-2.

[BLASTER1]

Exactly.
How anyone saw Nelo winning the first fight by only fighting 1/3rd of a rnd and being scared to engage is mind blowing.

[Madison Boxing]

I see where this is going, but you're both right.
I love outboxers and prefer their style, but if you are boxing on television, entertainment and crowd pleasing are juts as important, if not more, than winning.

As much as we crap on Floyd, Floyd could fight moving, fight still, fight using lateral movement and his defense was just as good, same with Lomachenko, same with Ward.
If these guys were some master boxers they would be able to pin their opponent on the backfoot and mount their own offense. I hate watching boxers that can only move and use a 1-2.

yep, agreed. what floyd did in the ring was vey different to what canelo did. even though he was pretty defensive, when he made the other guy miss you knew he'd be coming straight back with something.

[WhatDisButtonDo]

yep, agreed. what floyd did in the ring was vey different to what canelo did. even though he was pretty defensive, when he made the other guy miss you knew he'd be coming straight back with something.

I used to love guy that stick and move, but honestly i've grown to dislike them more and more. I was at the gym today watching Julio Cesar Chavez vs De La Hoya, and Hoya was busting him up real good but JCC was giving him different looks and changing his approach and was able to actually get in despite getting tagged and his face busted open. A lot of these stick and move 1-2 guys, you get past their jab and they have no back up plan, that all boils down to coaching. I.e: look at Amir Imam

[Thraxox]

Floyd has some stinkers where he hugged and runned but most of the time he was in front of the opponent. Pacquiao was entertaining but he wasn't a face first brawler l, he made guys have under 25%connect rate. Lomachenko is what you call the perfect mix. Entertaining and you can't get hit. He had Pacs offense and entertainment and also had Floyd's defense and perception.

[Dip_Slide]

People surprisingly forget how you can win a boxing match, u win by either outlanding your opponent or by stopping him, if moving and fighting off the ropes leads you to doing one of the 2 then it's the right thing to do PERIOD!

The goal is to win and only to WIN just like any other sport, a lot of fighters lost because they tried to entertain and after they lost the same fans they tried to entertain called them bums. If you're long, rangy with good reflexes you should use that, if you're short, stocky with a good chin you should use that.

[mvooom]

seems to be that people automatically assume thats the 'sweet scientist' in there. The one forcing the fight is the crude plodder and the one running is the pugilists choice.
Cant you stand your ground and fight and outbox the other fighter that way?
I dont see lomachenko running to the ropes all fight but he still manages to show off his skills without it turning into some bar room brawl. Thats a true elite skillset, not someone with an imitation of being a 'master boxer'.
Quit congratulating fighters for not engaging.

Quick question: what if you have the poorer (really poor) stamina and weaker punch power, would you stand your ground?

[buddyr]

The goal is to hit your opponent and not get hit. When you’re so much more faster than your opponent, don’t be a fool like meldeick Taylor. He could have easily beat Chavez 10-2 with very little damage. Now look at him almost 30 years later.

[Madison Boxing]

The goal is to hit your opponent and not get hit. When you’re so much more faster than your opponent, don’t be a fool like meldeick Taylor. He could have easily beat Chavez 10-2 with very little damage. Now look at him almost 30 years later.

i agree but what people seem to be missing is the 'hit your opponent' bit. you dont win points just for making them miss, youve got to fire back with something.