Is lateral movement now considered running

[MONGOOSE66]

Depends.

For example, Mayweather used a lot of movement, but he usually remained the one in control of the distance and pace of the fight. He dictated what happened in the ring. If that's the case, it's not running. That's the art of boxing.

Canelo v GGG for example is very different. Canelo was not dictating anything and was not in control at any point in that fight. He simply moved/ran because he was forced to and needed to. At no point in that fight could Canelo dictate where or how they fought.

Well said, Canelo wasn’t in control with G. He’d occasionally get that “oh $h1t” look on his face. He also, in my humble opinion, would back off when he needed to go forward. He hit hard enough and was faster so why back off? I personally thought he was cullo.

[Scopedog]

I concur that using lateral movement isn't necessarily running, but it's not automatically good boxing either. I notice that the discussion in this thread is in the context of Canelo v GGG, and I don't think that's the greatest example of it being done right. Canelo typically likes to hold the centre of the ring, set his feet and throw hard combinations, and he had difficulty doing that on the move and didn't look comfortable doing it against GGG - in fact that movement often took him to the ropes where Golovkin does his best work. I thought Canelo looked more impressive in the fight when he was holding his ground and not moving a lot, because he was landing his hard combinations more easily. When he was moving a lot it was because he was succumbing to GGG's pressure.

I think the best recent example of lateral movement used effectively is Usyk v Gassiev, where Usyk was using constant movement to continually reset the angles which let him leverage his advantage his speed to continually get off first without letting Gassiev get settled to throw anything. At the end of the day the metric of whether it's good boxing or running is whether it's allowing you to not get hit AND hit back, if you're doing it just not to get hit then it's running.

[MASTERBX]

lil g is just mentally challenged he cannot pick up the intricacy of boxing.

Maybe if loma stop running and "sit down" on his punches he will have
more KOs instead of TKOs !

[Madison Boxing]

if you dont throw punches for most the round, whilst retreating constantly, thats running.

[Shape up]

if you dont throw punches for most the round, whilst retreating constantly, thats running.

Exactly, using angles only works when you're throwing punches off of that movement, evading doesn't win fights, landing does

[Madison Boxing]

Exactly, using angles only works when you're throwing punches off of that movement, evading doesn't win fights, landing does

yeah larry and the other wise guys seem to equate 'outboxing' someone to mean that theyve just made the other guy miss.maybe im a casual but i thought you had to throw counter punches back if youre going to do that.

[D4thincarnation]

Running is where you use your foot work to stay away from your opponent and not look to engage or hit your opponent in anything but touch shots.


People tend to not like as it limits the action and their is something primal in men that if someone challenges you, you fight not run


Lomachenko has the best lateral movement in the game, but he is not running as he uses that to attack as well as not be hit.

It is the act of not attacking and just looking to move away from your opponent without putting on your own offence which makes it running.

Obviously they are times in a fight where you might need to do this, but every round every minute of the round, no it is embarrassing and amazing how fighters in the pro game can win rounds this way.

[Shape up]

yeah larry and the other wise guys seem to equate 'outboxing' someone to mean that theyve just made the other guy miss.maybe im a casual but i thought you had to throw counter punches back if youre going to do that.

Larry has very clouded judgement, he never has a good word to say about a fighter he doesn't like, there is plenty of posters here who are driven by bias before talent, he's just 1

[TBear]

I could have sworn that was the first thing you were taught when entering a boxing gym..You move and set angles..Running is when you are not even trying to attempt an attack like Oscar did at the end of the fight with Tito...When did Rocky movies become real life boxing? If you or your trainer can not adapt to movement then maybe you simply are not that good and need to get better. Great boxers know how to adapt in any fight!!!!

Larry, Oscar/Trinidad might have been a bad example as the judges botched up that decision. Look at Hopkins/Trinadad, Hopkins used Oscar's strategy and controlled the fight before the knockout with lateral movement.

I am not sure where this debate started but if a fighter only uses his feet and not his hands, fans will complain and I get it. If a fighter uses lateral movement to keep his opponent off balance and keeps that opponent from planting his own feet to punch, while landing his own punches it comes down to a winning game plan(if successful).

[StefanTosic]

I could have sworn that was the first thing you were taught when entering a boxing gym..You move and set angles..Running is when you are not even trying to attempt an attack like Oscar did at the end of the fight with Tito...When did Rocky movies become real life boxing? If you or your trainer can not adapt to movement then maybe you simply are not that good and need to get better. Great boxers know how to adapt in any fight!!!!

Man, I think you are mixing apples with oranges and that you are oversimplifiying the things here. I know you and me had a lot of disagreements in the past, but I'll try to precisely explain you where I think you are wrong, without trying to have an e-fight.

A qualified coach would normally start teaching the amateur style to the beginners, so it means:

1 - They have to be busy in the ring during 4 rounds. They can't spend the entire round observing their opponent while throwing only 5 punches during a round like some defensive minded pros like Rigo for example, and even Rigo was way busier in the amateurs than he was later in the pros. They have to be active and score points because the pace is quicker in the amateurs.

2 - Amateurs aren't the same thing as fighting at The MGM in Vegas and the judges usually prefer the active fighters more than those trying to look cute and not engage.

3 - Moving a lot and not trying to engage logically limits the punch output. Creating angles and using the latteral movements doesn't mean you have to limit your punch output and not engaging doesn't make you more technical. Instead, you can do it while still being more active in an amateur fight by taking a single step back or step to the side of your opponent to get outside of your opponents reach instead of taking 10 steps back and finding yourself 2 feet away from him. It's just about that: You don't necessarily have to be 2 feet away outside of your opponents reach to be safe, you'd be as safe by being only 10 inches outside of his reach. You can see this difference when comparing some pros too, like Loma or Pac vs Lara for example. Unlike Lara, those two don't have to run from one side of the ring, until their back touches the ropes on the opposite side of the ring.

4 - Off course it also depends on the amateur boxer's style. Defensive minded boxers would do it more more often, but it doesn't mean they are more skilled, you can even say the opposite: By staying just outside of your opponent's reach by taking just one or two quick steps instead of running makes you to think faster, be more reactive and careful and especially puts you in more opportunities to counter, etc.