Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua Won't Fight Me April 13th; Should Be Embarrassed

[Noelanthony]

Ok first...let me say that if you have to compare Joshua to Wilder to make your argument, your argument isn't that strong.

2nd Joshua has been successful in attaining belts. He won 4 belts against 3 fighters. He did what he had to do, but he didnt have to do much. Martin and Parker arguably should never even been champions. Martin definitely. So when I say Joshua success is more attributable to the support of British fans, I mean that because two weak champions sold their belts essentially. He gets major props for getting off the floor and stopping WK. Even if it was his last fight.

You guys are being duplicitous. On one hand you're lauding AJ for his accomplishments and saying he is great because he has 4 belts in 21 fights. Then on the other hand you say well he only has 21 fights, people have too high expectations for him. He shouldn't have to take big risks every fight. If he is great enough to have 4 belts he is great enough to defend those belts against all comers.

This has nothing to do with Wilder. So comparing him to Wilder or dismissing my perspective as that of a Wilder fan is a cop out. It's always the other guy who is biased right? No way the British fan is biased towards the British fighter. No way the British fan would prefer AJ have a long reign as champ and not have to defend his titles as an underdog.

whilst I do credit your ability to be the voice of reason at time the impartiality of your post does paint an all to Familiar narrative when discussing Aj. I do respect your posts so I always give your posts the respect it deserves and that’s a well thought out rebuttal😜

Now you said Joshua has won 4 belts against 3 fighters which no one can dispute. I don’t know if it’s a knee jerk reaction or just subconsciously in me,when you mention that I think immediately well Wilder has 1 belt against 1 fighter.

If anyone’s eyebrow is twitching already or suffers from high blood pressure whilst reading this post I suggest you skip the remaining of this post

Now I don’t really embroil myself in conspiracy theories in that what ifs. So long as you have something worthy to go after, whether I believe you are a worthy champion or not is irrelevant. Some Fans mayfeel Stiverne was not a worthy champion but 7 defences later Wilder still stands as the proud owner of the WBC belt and rightfully so. In 3 months potentially if he beats Fury he could be Lineal champion. Is it Wilders fault that Fury hasn’t really had a fight in 3 years.?

Also I know you said we shouldn’t compare Wilder and Joshua but how can you not ,they are both of Nigerian Descent, both Champions ,similar resumes, both Olympians, both knockout merchants the list goes on

I couldn’t agree with you more when you say Joshua has 4 belts and should be prepared to fight all comers. The reason why Brits and Americans are at loggerheads is that you believe Joshua is the sole reason the fight has not been made and we beg to differ. Have we showed bouts of reluctance ?absolutely .Has Team wilder procrastinated on certain issues? Sure they have. For me they are both to blame. If you are talking about actual fighters Deontay appears to me more keen but what does that really mean if his team are not as proactive or vocal as he is.

My quest is simple :- to campaign for the fight , lump heavy money on the Joshua win and to show there is no hard feelings send each American $10 by PayPal for their loss

[Noelanthony]

That’s funny because the last person Ortiz had to fight he knocked out in the 2nd round while Parker had to take him the distance. So much for the “former WBO champ”

I do rate Ortiz but baring the Jennings win and his gallant performance against Wilder he has not overly impressed me. God knows why he is called the boogeyman he looked absolute dog Sh#it against Scott and Dave Allen. Nevertheless a very good win for Wilder I can never take that win away from him he earned it

[Noelanthony]

There is no denying that both joshua and wilder are the two best heavyweights in boxing.. This is the biggest money fight boxing can make right now and it can not happen without aj and it can not happen without wilder therefor give aj 55% because he is the a side and give wilder 45% as the b side. Im basing the pcts off the fact that this fight cant be made without each other. aj deserves more of the split because he has most of the belts. simple math. like i said, it will be a career high payday for BOTH fighters.

In principle I agree with you

[Ake-Dawg]

You don't need to defend Wilder every time someone mention Joshua's resume. I think Joshua deserve credit for taking risks in his short career to date.

I didn't defend Wilder at all in that post. What I did allude to was that the risks you speak of weren't that big of a risk. WK being the biggest but not as big as it's made out to be.

[juggernaut666]

I didn't defend Wilder at all in that post. What I did allude to was that the risks you speak of weren't that big of a risk. WK being the biggest but not as big as it's made out to be.

What chance would you give Wilder in fight 19 against Klitchko at 41 who had HUNDREDS of rounds under him coming off a loss and knowing another loss is probably it ?

This should be good !

[suffolkbull3]

In principle I agree with you

I cant understand why this fight is so difficult to make. Everyone would be happy with a 55-45 split. That tells me that SOMEONE does not want the fight because there is too much money to be made for everyone involved.

If wilder was willing to fight ortiz, theres no doubt in my mind that he is willing to fight aj as well. I also believe aj is willing to fight wilder.. I believe hearn is the reason this fight has yet to be made. I truly feel that he is afraid to make this fight happen. He does not want the gravy train to stop.

[Raggamuffin]

I didn't defend Wilder at all in that post. What I did allude to was that the risks you speak of weren't that big of a risk. WK being the biggest but not as big as it's made out to be.

From 11/96-12/98 Wlad was a Gold medalist who won 24 fights and then lost to Purrity by ko. What chance did you give Purrity of winning that fight? Did you think it was too soon for Joshua's ****** ass to fight 41 year old coming off of a layoff? Why didn't Joshua fight Wlad right after beating Martin? Why isn't Joshua fighting Wilder? You'll never get a Joshua **** blower to answer these questions lmao. If you ever have to answer a question like who did so and so beat in their 19th fight, just ask if that fighter was 41 and coming off of a long layoff. And ask that poster if they beat up a pro boxer named J.O better than Wilder did, lmao.

[Noelanthony]

I cant understand why this fight is so difficult to make. Everyone would be happy with a 55-45 split. That tells me that SOMEONE does not want the fight because there is too much money to be made for everyone involved.

If wilder was willing to fight ortiz, theres no doubt in my mind that he is willing to fight aj as well. I also believe aj is willing to fight wilder.. I believe hearn is the reason this fight has yet to be made. I truly feel that he is afraid to make this fight happen. He does not want the gravy train to stop.

Whilst you may be right in terms of Eddie Hearn I just believe there is a huge disparity in what each fighter believes is their true value in the fight. Now you feel Wilder deserves 45% I don’t share your sentiments. Why?? Because even his own team their highball figure is 40%. Prime Example Parker team stated gave a highball figure of 40% and ended up doing a deal at 33% .Thats how it generally works with the B side and it works in the reverse with the Aside they will lowball.

For me this isn’t a U.K. vs America thing . If Wilder decided to fight Chisora I would say if Wilder offered him 15% he is lucky. Wilder is the A side with any other heavyweight baring Joshua and possibly Fury

[Ake-Dawg]

whilst I do credit your ability to be the voice of reason at time the impartiality of your post does paint an all to Familiar narrative when discussing Aj. I do respect your posts so I always give your posts the respect it deserves and that’s a well thought out rebuttal😜

Now you said Joshua has won 4 belts against 3 fighters which no one can dispute. I don’t know if it’s a knee jerk reaction or just subconsciously in me,when you mention that I think immediately well Wilder has 1 belt against 1 fighter.

If anyone’s eyebrow is twitching already or suffers from high blood pressure whilst reading this post I suggest you skip the remaining of this post

Now I don’t really embroil myself in conspiracy theories in that what ifs. So long as you have something worthy to go after, whether I believe you are a worthy champion or not is irrelevant. Some Fans mayfeel Stiverne was not a worthy champion but 7 defences later Wilder still stands as the proud owner of the WBC belt and rightfully so. In 3 months potentially if he beats Fury he could be Lineal champion. Is it Wilders fault that Fury hasn’t really had a fight in 3 years.?

Also I know you said we shouldn’t compare Wilder and Joshua but how can you not ,they are both of Nigerian Descent, both Champions ,similar resumes, both Olympians, both knockout merchants the list goes on

I couldn’t agree with you more when you say Joshua has 4 belts and should be prepared to fight all comers. The reason why Brits and Americans are at loggerheads is that you believe Joshua is the sole reason the fight has not been made and we beg to differ. Have we showed bouts of reluctance ?absolutely .Has Team wilder procrastinated on certain issues? Sure they have. For me they are both to blame. If you are talking about actual fighters Deontay appears to me more keen but what does that really mean if his team are not as proactive or vocal as he is.

My quest is simple :- to campaign for the fight , lump heavy money on the Joshua win and to show there is no hard feelings send each American $10 by PayPal for their loss

You have responded to posts where I acknowledge Wilders missteps in getting this fight done. He is definitely not without fault. That's the neither here nor there. Unless Fury comes out looking slim and trim and in rhythm for his next fight Wilder will not get full credit for beating him. Just like Joshua gets no credit for beating Martin and marginal credit for beating Parker. WK...full credit.

[Ake-Dawg]

What chance would you give Wilder in fight 19 against Klitchko at 41 who had HUNDREDS of rounds under him coming off a loss and knowing another loss is probably it ?

This should be good !

The same chance I give you of responding to a post with something sensible and directly related to that post.