Hearn is not Wilders promoter, manager or advisor

[Boksfan]

Joshua fought Brazeale too, what;s wrong with that? Ali & Frazier fought some of everybody, and each other ... for less than $50 mil BTW.

Larry's right, Wilder and team chart their own course. Hearn and AJ had a chance, they played games and tried to humiliate. Now they can play with themselves .... literally, for a while.

Wilder fought Ortiz who Hearn had on staff but wouldn't match any of his guys with. Wilder's a champ and Brazeale (if he fights him) is a mandatory. Have fun at cricket over there ...

Another deluded clown from Alabama, can you read? You have no clue what conversation was about. Uneducated Wilder nutsucker from Alabama keep hiding in your state like your master

[SthPaw]

If you are an AJ fan, and you cannot bring yourself to ask why it's been so easy for Wilder and Fury to make a fight, yet we have multiple fiascos when it comes to making Wilder and Joshua, then maybe your fandom is based on more than just how well you think Joshua fights.

Let's not forget this isn't the first time Fast Eddie found a way out of a fight that seemed certain only to have AJ fight someone else.

Last November, they were supposed to be close too. Close enough for Barry to tell Eddie to get back to Finkel with the financials after the elder Hearn had met with Finkel.

Only it never happened and all of a sudden Joshua was fighting Parker instead.

There comes a time when you have to choose between the facts that might make you uncomfortable and the lies that let you go on thinking nothing is awry with your favorite.

Matchroom doesn't want to fight Wilder if it means giving Wilder the same kind of deal that EVERY other champion has gotten from Matchroom.

If you are a boxing fan, you should have a problem with that.

Exactly right. I agree.

Hearns gig is up. He has truly come up trumps this summer really; his agenda/tactics/whatever you want to call it are pretty plain sight now. It worked for a while, many fans believed the delays and swerving was all Wilder and Finkels fault but it’s quite clear nowadays that it is Hearn. If you can’t see that then you aren’t a level headed boxing fan, it’s as simple as that.

AJ saying ‘offer me 50 and you have got a fight’ was called “the worst thing he could have said” by Hearn...why would that be the worst thing he could have said? Because not long after, that money was sourced. Why is that a bad thing? Because AJ, for a brief moment, spoke for himself and his own mind and basically forced them to backtrack. Hearn swiftly grabbed hold of the puppeting strings and took control again, saying it was a bad thing.

Hearn pulls the strings and works AJs mouth like a hand puppet. He’s been more or less silent ever since. And if you think that’s simply because he is in training then you are a fool. After his “get me Wilder so I can knock him spark out” and “give me 50mil” - Hearn has his muzzle back on him, because comments like that make it hard for Eddie to then avoid the matter.

[R_Walken]

I actually think Hearns done a great job promoting Wilder

Because of Hearns f.aggotry like using Whyte & now Chisora as pawns , Being caught in constant lies about a immediate AJ/Wilder fight, Giving BS offers hoping they wouldn’t be accepted only
To backfire , Presuading AJ to turn down a record breaking guarantee to fight on a app no one has heard of and place him in the Witness Protection Program during the negotiations

Wilders stock has gone through the roof among North American Boxing fans because they see he actually wants the fight and Hearns prized possession ( AJ) reputation has been dragged through the mud and probably beyond the point of ever becoming a attraction in the US

I don’t know if that was Hearns intention but hey, he’s done a great job raising Wilders stock while sabotaging his own fighter

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it actually

[Clegg]

I think Hearn is a good promoter overall, does a good job for his guys from what I see in the UK at least. But his pursuit of Wilder has been odd at best and a clusterfuck at worst.

You'd figure his aim is to get AJ and Wilder under contract, makes sense, you can marinate if you want or they can fight 3 times, both can be big stars. Plus Wilder would be a real marquee signing for DAZN which they don't have and look unlikely to get soon.

But his offers to Wilder are always short of what Wilder is asking for or he offers it later than he should. Hearn says you can fight Whyte for 4M, Wilder says no I want 7M and goes and knocks out Ortiz instead. Then Hearn says OK 7M as if Wilder's price hasn't gone up because of that win. And it doesn't matter what a bunch of people online think, reality is Hearn is smart enough to know all this and his offers still seem more designed to drag out negotiations or to piss off the people around Wilder. Maybe he feels that Wilder is too flawed to pay big money to but too dangerous to put in with AJ so he'll just keep waiting hoping Wilder loses to someone else.

In signing Wilder, Hearn would basically control HW boxing and if he's smart he builds on that but instead he's played his hand questionably. He's made Wilder offers that don't seem far short of what the guy is looking for but in a way Hearn never seems close to closing the deal. To me it seems like he's taken a few gambles on how things will play out with success in the past but not so much in this situation and the scorned ex-girlfriend routine is tedious. Maybe he doesn't care, I'm sure AJ-Povetkin will earn well and so will the next AJ fight etc. and that's his priority. But he seemed to really hope Wilder would spend 2018 fighting in Alabama against Duhaupas types and isn't happy his career is moving upwards.

[Zn1]

Joshua fought Brazeale too, what;s wrong with that? Ali & Frazier fought some of everybody, and each other ... for less than $50 mil BTW.

Larry's right, Wilder and team chart their own course. Hearn and AJ had a chance, they played games and tried to humiliate. Now they can play with themselves .... literally, for a while.

Wilder fought Ortiz who Hearn had on staff but wouldn't match any of his guys with. Wilder's a champ and Brazeale (if he fights him) is a mandatory. Have fun at cricket over there ...

do you get a kick out of lying? Ortiz was signed to Hearn, looked like **** twice (undermotivated, out of shape etc) and no one was interested in seeing him again lol


he blew his own opportunity, can't blame Hearn for a fighter not trying

[Zn1]

I think Hearn is a good promoter overall, does a good job for his guys from what I see in the UK at least. But his pursuit of Wilder has been odd at best and a clusterfuck at worst.

You'd figure his aim is to get AJ and Wilder under contract, makes sense, you can marinate if you want or they can fight 3 times, both can be big stars. Plus Wilder would be a real marquee signing for DAZN which they don't have and look unlikely to get soon.

But his offers to Wilder are always short of what Wilder is asking for or he offers it later than he should. Hearn says you can fight Whyte for 4M, Wilder says no I want 7M and goes and knocks out Ortiz instead. Then Hearn says OK 7M as if Wilder's price hasn't gone up because of that win. And it doesn't matter what a bunch of people online think, reality is Hearn is smart enough to know all this and his offers still seem more designed to drag out negotiations or to piss off the people around Wilder. Maybe he feels that Wilder is too flawed to pay big money to but too dangerous to put in with AJ so he'll just keep waiting hoping Wilder loses to someone else.

In signing Wilder, Hearn would basically control HW boxing and if he's smart he builds on that but instead he's played his hand questionably. He's made Wilder offers that don't seem far short of what the guy is looking for but in a way Hearn never seems close to closing the deal. To me it seems like he's taken a few gambles on how things will play out with success in the past but not so much in this situation and the scorned ex-girlfriend routine is tedious. Maybe he doesn't care, I'm sure AJ-Povetkin will earn well and so will the next AJ fight etc. and that's his priority. But he seemed to really hope Wilder would spend 2018 fighting in Alabama against Duhaupas types and isn't happy his career is moving upwards.

no matter how you slice it, Wilder's biggest payday (almost double his previous biggest) was 2.1 mil against Luis Ortiz.

If it's not about the money then it must be about the glory? yet neither will convince Wilder to take a fight against one of the British contenders or champions in Hearn's stable. If he isn't shook then his management definitely are, and the fact that he's faced one decent opponent in 40 fights backs that up.

AJ took risks and it payed off, now he's the biggest draw in boxing

where you at Deontay?

[Clegg]

no matter how you slice it, Wilder's biggest payday (almost double his previous biggest) was 2.1 mil against Luis Ortiz.

If it's not about the money then it must be about the glory? yet neither will convince Wilder to take a fight against one of the British contenders or champions in Hearn's stable. If he isn't shook then his management definitely are, and the fact that he's faced one decent opponent in 40 fights backs that up.

AJ took risks and it payed off, now he's the biggest draw in boxing

where you at Deontay?

I think part of Wilder's reasoning for not going with Hearn is the same as Fury's. It's best not to have you career guided by someone who sees you as second fiddle to his main man, who might not want to make the biggest fights because of it or if he does make them will stack the deck against you despite being your promoter because he wants his golden boy to win.

It's part of the reason why Danny Jacobs went to Hearn. If he went to GBP or Loeffler, it might have gotten him a Canelo or GGG shot sooner, and more $$ for that fight because the promoter would be doing it inhouse. But he's better off having a promoter behind him who actually wants him to win the fight and will fight his corner fully to help him do that.

[Zn1]

I think part of Wilder's reasoning for not going with Hearn is the same as Fury's. It's best not to have you career guided by someone who sees you as second fiddle to his main man, who might not want to make the biggest fights because of it or if he does make them will stack the deck against you despite being your promoter because he wants his golden boy to win.

It's part of the reason why Danny Jacobs went to Hearn. If he went to GBP or Loeffler, it might have gotten him a Canelo or GGG shot sooner, and more $$ for that fight because the promoter would be doing it inhouse. But he's better off having a promoter behind him who actually wants him to win the fight and will fight his corner fully to help him do that.

you make good points, and if I was Wilder I would sign for the fights but I wouldn't sign with Hearn or give him any options other than an immediate rematch (if he beat AJ)

if Wilder had signed with Hearn (or someone else) back when he beat Audley Harrison and Siarhei Liakhovich in 2013, do you think he'd be in a better position now or worse off? I just can't see how anyone could've managed him worse than his current team .. all these years of talking about him and he's still only faced one legit fighter.

[IMDAZED]

Some of you guys sound like straight simps. Deontay Wilder isn’t dealing with Hearn for anything other than Joshua, and that’s only because he has to. Put yourself in his shoes. Actually, maybe you are and you’re just a ho like that. But anyway, assuming he faces and beats Fury, negotiations for a Joshua fight change drastically.

[Clegg]

you make good points, and if I was Wilder I would sign for the fights but I wouldn't sign with Hearn or give him any options other than an immediate rematch (if he beat AJ)

if Wilder had signed with Hearn (or someone else) back when he beat Audley Harrison and Siarhei Liakhovich in 2013, do you think he'd be in a better position now or worse off? I just can't see how anyone could've managed him worse than his current team .. all these years of talking about him and he's still only faced one legit fighter.

Yeah I think the matchmaking should've been better and would've built his name up quicker. If you're not a big name you either need to fight a big name or an opponent who represents risk or else people won't care.

It seems to happen even with guys who are with big promoters though. I don't get why Hearn keeps paying Miller to fight C level opponents or why Arum keeps putting Zurdo in with postmen. It's as if they think one day they'll suddenly be big stars if they have enough mismatch fights. Maybe I'm wrong and a big fight will unexpectedly drop in their lap, but to me it feels like both will be in the same spot in 2020 that they are right now. Until then more pointless fights, zero career progression.