Whyte vs Parker PPV numbers

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Mayweather-Mcgregor was $99.95 in the US, it was £19.95 in the UK. Different markets and prices.
Showtime and HBO who are the main Boxing networks in the US, both SHO and HBO are like $10-15 a month, very different to how much Sky costs a month.

Sky has many Sports, like the Preimer League , which is the main reason why people subscribe. Boxing is a filler sport bar Joshua PPV's. Showtime and HBO have only two or three sports as they are not predominant sports broadcaster, they focus on Original Programming. Having only a couple of sports mean they have more money available for Saturday Fight Nights (Licence Fees)

Sky spend most of their money on Preimer League Games, Hearn has little money for Saturday Night Cards, less than 500K Probably. Showtime for example have had 3M for every saturday night card.

You see the difference, that's why Hearn has to put it on PPV for it to make sense economically, given the PPV's is also £19.95 he can persuade people easily.

And that's why you see American Saturday Night Cards with only World Title Fights, as to Showtime, Boxing is like the Preimer League is to Sky. Americans won't settle for crap, it's a different culture, most of the Brits here, are drunk, football fans. Boxing is a 3rd rate sport in America, their is so much competition in Sports in America, which means Showtime/HBO have to put on competitive/big fights together, because Americans have so much choice in sports.

We don't, after the Preimer League Games are finished, what else ?

ITV can't compete with Sky PPV Money in the UK. That's why they gave up on Boxing same with other Free to air channels, Boxing can be deemed too "violent and isn't very PC"

On your Hearn stuff. I don't even watch him, cos that's his job, he's selling you a product. He's a salesman. You choose what you want to pay for. It's not hard, i have only bought one PPV this year, Joshua-Parker. Just don't buy it and stream it if you think it isn't PPV, nothing we can do about it.

I get a lot of what you’re saying and agree with most of it. The most pivotal point you make is “Americans won’t settle for crap” and that’s true in regards to boxing and that’s what really frustrates me, British fight fans settle for dross time and time again and in the process the standard of British boxing is continuously lowered. We justify Sky/Matchroom/Hearn to keep producing this dross by continually buying into this car salesman BS and sky sports propaganda.

It honestly makes me laugh when you hear these imbeciles talking about how “British boxing is booming” and how “Hearn saved it”😂😂 it’s like they are completely oblivious to how bad some of the current product is.

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Show me a link that says Hearn is getting 50%.

He isn't, so good luck finding one.

DAZN is a subscription service. ZERO money is generated fightnight from DAZN. NO MONEY will ever be generated by DAZN FOR ANY FIGHT.

DAZN gives Hearn a budget, and Hearn spends that budget on cards and purses.

The DAZN deal is supposed to be 8 years at $125M per year for 16 US cards and 16 UK cards. Somehow, folks are reporting that as Hearn having 8M per US card as if he will be able to put on the 16 UK cards for free.

I broke this down in post #38 of this thread.
They netted about 6M total, more or less.

I didn't include the Australian PPV but it would have been less
than the half a million netted in New Zealand since their money is also worth less than US dollars AND the fight was $10 less there.

You do realize that the Parker vs Whyte fight aired in the morning in both Australia and New Zealand, right? About 8am and 10am if my math is right. Not enough star power to do that well, imo.

Again, the money made was good, not some bonanza.

Show me a link that says Hearn is getting 45%.

You keep throwing around this number completely ignoring the fact that the UK and US PPV markets are completely different. And this number is not even true for a lot of the US PPVs. Mayweather PPVs for example, also Showtime is for sure getting more than the 10% you claim the content provider is getting.

I remember an interview with Haye after he beat Valuev where he was bragging he got more than 60% of the PPV gross revenue. If he could get a deal like that from Sky, you can bet Hearn can too. And Matchroom have had an exclusive deal with Sky Sports for over 5 years now.

As for DAZN, I am not quite sure what you don't understand. There is a budget allocated for any fight that is streamed on the service. Whether the budget is determined by Hearn or/and by DAZN and whether it's based on projections or final numbers, it doesn't matter. Most of that money is going to the fighters, so of course it has to be included in the pot.

The NZ & AU PPV should be around half a million, not much but add in the DAZN money and you have a million.

And you keep ignoring the gate for whatever reason, that's at least another million to the pot.

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If we're honest, it says more about the UK fanbase than it does Wilder...
I didn't even bother watching it for free. Both are pretty awful.

It was a fairly entertaining fight. If you only watch the top fights (GGG vs. Canelo, Wilder vs. Fury/AJ) then you are missing out on a lot of interesting boxing in the sport that we love.

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I get a lot of what you’re saying and agree with most of it. The most pivotal point you make is “Americans won’t settle for crap” and that’s true in regards to boxing and that’s what really frustrates me, British fight fans settle for dross time and time again and in the process the standard of British boxing is continuously lowered. We justify Sky/Matchroom/Hearn to keep producing this dross by continually buying into this car salesman BS and sky sports propaganda.

It honestly makes me laugh when you hear these imbeciles talking about how “British boxing is booming” and how “Hearn saved it”���� it’s like they are completely oblivious to how bad some of the current product is.

It's quite simply blind patriotism. They think Americans actually care and are jealous, it makes them think oh "Britain are number one in boxing" We're actually number one in a sport.

That's what it comes down to, these people are deluded beyond help. I don't engage or even act like they exist, it makes me despise Sports sometimes. Social Media has given idiots like this the platform

I don't particularly blame Hearn, i blame Sky for giving him so low money for Saturday Fight Nights.

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If we're honest, it says more about the UK fanbase than it does Wilder...
I didn't even bother watching it for free. Both are pretty awful.

That’s a poor realisation of how their is clear and evident lack of talent in the heavyweight division being that Parker and Whyte realistically are top 6-7 fighters three of the others being confirmed dopers in Povetkin, Fists of Fluff Fury and Ortiz.

All the more reason to make the only decent fight any one wants to see AJ Wilder.

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It was a fairly entertaining fight. If you only watch the top fights (GGG vs. Canelo, Wilder vs. Fury/AJ) then you are missing out on a lot of interesting boxing in the sport that we love.

I'd much rather watch talented guys that no one has heard of yet than overhyped HWs who showed they have no chance at giving us anything more than sloppy brawls.
You can feel differently, that's fine. I'm not threatened by anyone's personal taste. I'm just really surprised at the things the British public is willing to pay for, esp considering how frugal they tend to be. I hope the promoters don't screw it up and continue to maintain the success they're having over there. It's good for the sport, even if I don't personally like their product.

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That’s a poor realisation of how their is clear and evident lack of talent in the heavyweight division being that Parker and Whyte realistically are top 6-7 fighters three of the others being confirmed dopers in Povetkin, Fists of Fluff Fury and Ortiz.

All the more reason to make the only decent fight any one wants to see AJ Wilder.

People bytched about the Klitschko era being full of bums but I recall a few wise souls saying it was all about perspective, and that this new crew would turn out to be no better. That was a couple years ago and we're already seeing that truth coming to bear. This supposed HW revival unraveled rather quickly and there's just a couple interesting fights left. The difference between then and now is that we don't currently have anyone as talented as Wlad or Vitali.

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I watched the bill because it was free where I'm currently living and I was hoping Whyte would get beat. The card actually turned out fairly good because of the main event being a gruelling turnup and Chisora's big upset win, but without that hindsight I would have never payed 20 quid for that, not for the main event or the undercard. Hearn's got the viewers eating out of the palm of his hand if he can sell that bill and make bank out of it.

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Show me a link that says Hearn is getting 45%.

You keep throwing around this number completely ignoring the fact that the UK and US PPV markets are completely different. And this number is not even true for a lot of the US PPVs. Mayweather PPVs for example, also Showtime is for sure getting more than the 10% you claim the content provider is getting.

I remember an interview with Haye after he beat Valuev where he was bragging he got more than 60% of the PPV gross revenue. If he could get a deal like that from Sky, you can bet Hearn can too. And Matchroom have had an exclusive deal with Sky Sports for over 5 years now.

As for DAZN, I am not quite sure what you don't understand. There is a budget allocated for any fight that is streamed on the service. Whether the budget is determined by Hearn or/and by DAZN and whether it's based on projections or final numbers, it doesn't matter. Most of that money is going to the fighters, so of course it has to be included in the pot.

The NZ & AU PPV should be around half a million, not much but add in the DAZN money and you have a million.

And you keep ignoring the gate for whatever reason, that's at least another million to the pot.

You keep saying "I remember this" or "I saw that" without linking a damned thing.

For all I know, you could be pulling this from your arse.

There IS NO ADDITIONAL DAZN money for the fighters. DAZN is a subscriber service that already had a deal with Matchroom to show fights in certain countries. Nothing extra is forthcoming to Parker and Whyte from DAZN the same way nothing extra will be forthcoming to fighters who fight on US DAZN cards when they launch later this year. Eddie might pay them whatever is guaranteed out of the money he already has been budgeted yearly from DAZN or he may use the money generated by the PPVs themselves. But the fighters get no "upside" from DAZN money.

You are showing a basic misunderstanding of how things work here.

The following are a few articles outlining how PPV usually works.

https://www.*************.com/column...iew-deal-work/

http://www.secondsout.com/ringside/the-business-of-boxing/the-abcs-of-pay-per-view

This one shows that even at the height of his money generating powers, Floyd operated the same way when it came to the cable companies...though he did find other ways to enhance his income.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192887-making-money-how-floyd-mayweather-produces-boxings-biggest-fights

Finally, you trying to say PPV works different in the UK is also you saying that, out of the goodness of their hearts UK cable companies take less than anywhere else because...well because you say so.

And, that dog don't hunt.

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It's quite simply blind patriotism. They think Americans actually care and are jealous, it makes them think oh "Britain are number one in boxing" We're actually number one in a sport.

That's what it comes down to, these people are deluded beyond help. I don't engage or even act like they exist, it makes me despise Sports sometimes. Social Media has given idiots like this the platform

I don't particularly blame Hearn, i blame Sky for giving him so low money for Saturday Fight Nights.

Completely agree with this.
I do place a lot of blame on Hearn though, obviously Sky/Barney Francis pull the puppet strings but the way he blatantly lies and cons the public is disgraceful. I mean look at the whole AJ-Wilder situation, it’s just embarrassing.

I honestly wouldn’t be too upset with all these PPV’s if we got some good value fight nights in return. But all we get is this ”Next Gen” BS and low level, cheap ass, meaningless fights like Okollie-Chamberlain. Any revenue they generate from these PPV’s is not being invested back into the product and that’s unacceptable.