Is Mayweather's 2007-2015 run of consecutive opponents the best ever?!?!?

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Lol at that @ reloaded novel "Cotto was mentally damaged by the Margarito beating, the way for him to overcome his demons was beating Margarito, that's why the Cotto that Floyd beat was a prime Cotto."

This guy will literally twist and bend anywhich way to suck Floyds ****, not an impartial bone in his body when it comes to the love of his life.

Love the way you add a few of your own words lol I said prime Cotto did I lol.

Youre a surface dweller kid many things will go over your head totally oblivious to you.

[dibzvincent143]

It’s a really really good resume. And like I said he engineered it beautifully and I’m big fan of his craft. But the truth and narratives behind what’s on paper rarely goes hand in hand. Out of the 3 wins you mentioned I give him the most credit for beating Canelo, only thing to say about it is the catchweight. Regardless I’m sure he’d beat Canelo at any weight, but why make it an issue in the first place when he had fought at full 154 before? The fault goes to him.


I didn't say any of those were is best wins nobody can define what best really is, they why I said those fights were the most memorable for me.

Nobody is trying to say Oscar was at his best, but there is also a point where their primes were not as far split as what people try and make, there were a lot of handicaps in this fight for Floyd, of which Manny had none and it was Oscar that was handicapped, also this Floyd beat Oscar nearly 2 yrs earlier than Manny did, I believe fully that the Oscar Floyd beat would not have lost to Manny, it was only Floyds speed and defense that got him the fight, it was a big win because of that handicap, Floyd looked the softest and most puffy in that fight than Id ever seen before, that's was not near the best FM, I thought it was a really good win his brain won the fight.

Canelo I agree the CW helped, he even said it himself when asked , " It will make the task easier " was his answer.
Why did he take the CW you ask, because he was FM-TBE and Canelo shot his mouth off so Floyd used it to his advantage. With the TBE bs it doesn't matter if we don't agree, thing is he believes it and that creates a power within that makes him the boss in negotiations, if you try and fck with him like Canelo and Maidana did that power comes out and dictates, there is a psychology behind everyone and Floyd knows and believes in his place.


Cotto was already pummelled by pac and marg. and jr middleweight wasn’t really his best weight.


Cotto was not the same mentally after Margs cheat beating, the only way Cotto could conquer his demons was by beating Margarito and he did, that fight relit the fire in Cotto , and he was in awesome shape to win that fight, find be another fight where Cotto was that strong for length and pace of fight, he came to win and was prepared to win.... Fighters are not this robot where they are the same level in every fight, some fights they are in the zone and others they way outside it, Cotto was in the zone and Floyd did great to win that fight on that night.


Now stop acting like Floyd is a small guy when he fought this dudes, it is only natural for an athlete’s body to grow as they age, and he has grown into a full welter. Or else he would have made the 144 catchweight with Marquez.



Floyd Manny JMM are real LWs , ODH Mosley were JWWs fighting as LWs, they are bigger across the scale, Floyd Manny and JMM were only 2-4 pounds away from each other from 130 to 147.

Floyd had been out for nearly 2 yrs so his body had grown a little as you say, he weighed in at 146, same weight he weighed in against Judah and a few others.
I believe he tried to drop in on 144 but his body wasn't dropping the same that last bit stuck and it was either boil it of or pay , he paid like any power player would.

Floyd’s best win remains to be against a prime corrales. But like I said it’s a very great resume.
He has a case on claiming the goat status, but the critics will also have clear ones as well


The Corrales win was devasting as was Gattis but I don't know if they were his best he won those very easy, your best maybe, I like seeing him work a guy that's giving him a run for his money this is where Floyd is at his best, this is where we see his game of chess and its brilliant when you understand the skill level, what he did to JMM was such high level technical boxing, people try to downplay the win because of the 2lbs, it wasn't a physical fight it was speed and reflex and Floyd toyed with one of greatest counter boxers in history, and incidentally for a trivia fact JMM was exactly the same weight against Floyd as he was KOing Manny.

People can argue all sorts of reasons why Floyd was so lucky, but you cant be that lucky, Ive been following the sport for over 50 yrs and Floyd is one of the very best Ive seen, not saying the best I don't really have a best because at their best weight all great fighters can win on any given night against any other great. The thing is prime Floyd is right in the mix with any one.

I’m trying to be real fair here as I don’t hate floyd but I smell total BS and fanboyism on your part.

He was handicapped against Oscar in weight and power.
But Speed. Youth. Being active all goes to him. There’s a reason why he was not the underdog coming into that fight.

It’s a great win. Had it happen when oscar was 29 it’ll be his best win.

It’s amazing how you twist everything in favor of Floyd.
If floyd uses his A-side advantages its called psychological move when others do it it’s draining an opponent. It’s cheating on the scales etc. Like Manny was the one who requested it to be at 147 when it was Oscar’s choice for the fight to be even plausible to happen. Nobody thought he’d be weight drained by fight night otherwise pac won’t be such a huge underdog — huge being an understatement.

Floyd is obviously bigger than marquez when they fought. He was already a WW in years while Marquez was jumping 2 weight classes. Had Floyd made weight it would have been at least a respectable win. It’s like spence beating mikey Garcia at WW and he didn’t even have to make weight. Would you give spence full credit? Or it only works for Floyd?

Suddenly cotto’s career working like magic after beating marg. lol
Had he beat cotto in 2008 before cotto had two devastating KO losses it’d be his best win. Not 4 years after in a weight where cotto didn’t beat anyone worth a mentioning

You know what good luck with you man. Whatever you believe man.

His best win will always be against a prime dangerous corrales. Next would be castillo II.

Had he beat oscar when he was 29. Beat manny in 2009. Cotto in 2008 it’ll be his best wins.

Don’t be sad pac’s best wins is over barrera and prime bradley as well. He fought a lot of past prime dudes as well. So im not favoring anybody.

Just be fair.

[Dip_Slide]

Floyd did his thing, even though people can criticize Floyd now because they conpare him to past fighters who fought everyone, his resume won't be matched anytime in the next 15-20 or even 30 years, and by then people will look at him the same way we now look at Duran and Leonard and all the great fighters from the past.

That's how it goes, a big part of boxing is nostalgia and history. Fans admire fighters of the past and criticize fighters of today, been like this for many years.

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I’m trying to be real fair here as I don’t hate floyd but I smell total BS and fanboyism on your part.

He was handicapped against Oscar in weight and power.
But Speed. Youth. Being active all goes to him. There’s a reason why he was not the underdog coming into that fight.

It’s a great win. Had it happen when oscar was 29 it’ll be his best win.

It’s amazing how you twist everything in favor of Floyd.
If floyd uses his A-side advantages its called psychological move when others do it it’s draining an opponent. It’s cheating on the scales etc. Like Manny was the one who requested it to be at 147 when it was Oscar’s choice for the fight to be even plausible to happen. Nobody thought he’d be weight drained by fight night otherwise pac won’t be such a huge underdog — huge being an understatement.

Floyd is obviously bigger than marquez when they fought. He was already a WW in years while Marquez was jumping 2 weight classes. Had Floyd made weight it would have been at least a respectable win. It’s like spence beating mikey Garcia at WW and he didn’t even have to make weight. Would you give spence full credit? Or it only works for Floyd?

Suddenly cotto’s career working like magic after beating marg. lol
Had he beat cotto in 2008 before cotto had two devastating KO losses it’d be his best win. Not 4 years after in a weight where cotto didn’t beat anyone worth a mentioning

You know what good luck with you man. Whatever you believe man.

His best win will always be against a prime dangerous corrales. Next would be castillo II.

Had he beat oscar when he was 29. Beat manny in 2009. Cotto in 2008 it’ll be his best wins.

Don’t be sad pac’s best wins is over barrera and prime bradley as well. He fought a lot of past prime dudes as well. So im not favoring anybody.

Just be fair.

I am being fair, fair to me and me to be truthful to myself.

20 people can watch the same thing and you will have 20 different perspectives of what happened based on their own life mirror telling them what they seen, sometimes it can be proven who was right, but this debate is a time when we will never know who was really right, so time to agree to disagree.

Cheers.

[b00g13man]

Floyd did his thing, even though people can criticize Floyd now because they conpare him to past fighters who fought everyone, his resume won't be matched anytime in the next 15-20 or even 30 years, and by then people will look at him the same way we now look at Duran and Leonard and all the great fighters from the past.

That's how it goes, a big part of boxing is nostalgia and history. Fans admire fighters of the past and criticize fighters of today, been like this for many years.

Exactly. By that point, you'd have people overrating him, and those who are mad right now won't be able to handle it.

[aboutfkntime]

He loses some credit for Nelo because zombie Nelo was compromised from the weight drain. If Nelo fought at the full limit then I agree that it would outshine the Corrales fight. As it is, I feel Mayweather put on his last 'great' performance vs Canelo but it's not as great a win as the Corrales one for the reason I mentioned despite Nelo being the bigger name and tougher on paper opponent. Also... ******ly but officially..... Mayweather only has a majority decision over Canelo whereas the result of the Corrales fight speaks for itself.

fair point, but that could be hard to tell at this point in Canelo's career

he is better than Corrales, we can see that..... but how much better is yet to be determined..... he could stop Golovkin and rule 160, then grab a belt at 168, we just don't know..... and yet Mayweather SCHOOLED the much bigger/stronger Canelo in that fight, he was punching above his weight at 154

and I don't think the weight affected Canelo too much, it certainly made no difference on the outcome of the fight

If Floyd had actually made weight for Marquez like the professional he is supposed to be it would be one of his best wins, but alas he didn't do it and cheated the much smaller Marquez on the scales. This taints the win and holds it back from touching the Corrales exhibition.

actually, he made weight

they re-negotiated the fight contract two weeks earlier, and Marquez pocketed an extra 600k..... nobody got cheated

it was lame from Mayweather is all..... because Marquez jumped two divisions and they marketed that fight around the catchweight being a leveller

but yea that is not one of his best wins anyway

Imo both Nelo and Corrales were masterpieces by Floyd. Showed his sublime talent in both fights but Corrales is above Nelo for me.

I agree no one really talks about Castillo 2. It's because so many thought he lost the first fight and Castillo bashed Floyd in the rematch far more than Nelo or Corrales were able to. Castillo made the second fight with Floyd competitive, even though it was a nice win that Floyd doesn't get much credit for.

Hoya was way past it and a split decision win.... not even close to the level of the Corrales destruction which was imo Floyd at his very best.

yea he was past-prime..... but, he was WAAAY better than Corrales, who some argue was weight-drained in that fight

Hoya had the best pedigree, and he was still a live dog at that point..... and once again, Mayweather was no JMW

hmmm, not sure..... possibly hard to tell until Canelo's career maps out..... and you're right Corrales was a killer at that point, when Mayweather was just establishing himself on the world stage..... but we know how good Mayweather is now, LEVELS above Corrales..... so Corrales being favored doesn't mean as much now

not sure, I give up

GOOD post !

[aboutfkntime]

What kind of ****** argument is that??

Of course the win will be judge based on how it happen.
That’s why his victory over Pac will never be his best because it was 6 yrs too late and both are clearly past it especially Pac. Eventhough Pac trumps everyone in his resume.
Same reason why Duran’s win over prime Leonard climbing two divisions is considered one of the best wins ever by a fighter. Had it happened when Duran was already an established middleweight had it been a different win? Of course it would be.

It was his best win because he beat a prime dangerous fighter who he was an underdog against by an amazing KO.

His other wins albeit great as well, didn’t happen when they mattered most. Had he beat DLH when oscar was 29, it’d be his best win.
Had he beat manny in 2009 it’ll clearly trump any resume of any fighter in history.
Had he beat cotto in 2008 instead of having 2 KO losses already it be a total bad ass.

I’m trying to be fair here and you guys are straight being just fanboys.

it is not a ****** argument

your argument is that Corrales was the favorite

well, that is because Mayweather had not established himself as the truly great fighter he is today at that early point in his career

he is LEVELS above Corrales, we know that now..... late in his career, Mayweather was red-hot favorite over guys who were LEVELS above Corrales..... you are allowed to use the benefit of hindsight

look, pick whoever you want..... no matter to me.....

like I said..... there are SOOOOO many to choose from

[aboutfkntime]

I’m trying to be real fair here as I don’t hate floyd but I smell total BS and fanboyism on your part.

He was handicapped against Oscar in weight and power.
But Speed. Youth. Being active all goes to him. There’s a reason why he was not the underdog coming into that fight.

It’s a great win. Had it happen when oscar was 29 it’ll be his best win.

It’s amazing how you twist everything in favor of Floyd.
If floyd uses his A-side advantages its called psychological move when others do it it’s draining an opponent. It’s cheating on the scales etc. Like Manny was the one who requested it to be at 147 when it was Oscar’s choice for the fight to be even plausible to happen. Nobody thought he’d be weight drained by fight night otherwise pac won’t be such a huge underdog — huge being an understatement.

Floyd is obviously bigger than marquez when they fought. He was already a WW in years while Marquez was jumping 2 weight classes. Had Floyd made weight it would have been at least a respectable win. It’s like spence beating mikey Garcia at WW and he didn’t even have to make weight. Would you give spence full credit? Or it only works for Floyd?

Suddenly cotto’s career working like magic after beating marg. lol
Had he beat cotto in 2008 before cotto had two devastating KO losses it’d be his best win. Not 4 years after in a weight where cotto didn’t beat anyone worth a mentioning

You know what good luck with you man. Whatever you believe man.

His best win will always be against a prime dangerous corrales. Next would be castillo II.

Had he beat oscar when he was 29. Beat manny in 2009. Cotto in 2008 it’ll be his best wins.

Don’t be sad pac’s best wins is over barrera and prime bradley as well. He fought a lot of past prime dudes as well. So im not favoring anybody.

Just be fair.

look, I am not even gonna argue names anymore..... but I see two flaws in your thinking.....

1) that prime is a on/off switch..... that you are either good or you are shht, it doesn't work like that.....

2) you are discounting levels..... prime < levels..... great past-prime fighters often beat (sometimes easily) prime opponents who are not on their level

[dibzvincent143]

it is not a ****** argument

your argument is that Corrales was the favorite

well, that is because Mayweather had not established himself as the truly great fighter he is today at that early point in his career

he is LEVELS above Corrales, we know that now..... late in his career, Mayweather was red-hot favorite over guys who were LEVELS above Corrales..... you are allowed to use the benefit of hindsight

look, pick whoever you want..... no matter to me.....

like I said..... there are SOOOOO many to choose from

It is a ****** argument because those achievements are being judged the way they are happening.

If we are to go by your way, then all of Floyd’s wins over 130lbers are useless since he’s levels above them now lol

Pac’s win over barrera was not really that great since he beat bigger guys after him lmao

Duran’s win over Leonard wasn’t that great since he turned out to reach middleweight as the years gone by so jumping 2 weight classes didn’t mean ish

Is that how you wanna do it??

The quality of a victory is being judged at where you are at that point in ur career.
If you are an up and coming fighter and you beat a star at that point it is considered a great win

[aboutfkntime]

It is a ****** argument because those achievements are being judged the way they are happening.

If we are to go by your way, then all of Floyd’s wins over 130lbers are useless since he’s levels above them now lol

Pac’s win over barrera was not really that great since he beat bigger guys after him lmao

Duran’s win over Leonard wasn’t that great since he turned out to reach middleweight as the years gone by so jumping 2 weight classes didn’t mean ish

Is that how you wanna do it??

The quality of a victory is being judged at where you are at that point in ur career.
If you are an up and coming fighter and you beat a star at that point it is considered a great win

level does not mean size..... level means ability

perhaps read that post again

you don't know what levels mean, in boxing ?

if I meant size, I woulda said weight

I am saing.... your argument that Floyd was favorite..... while being correct, is weak shht..... especially if you have the common-sense to see (with the benefit of hindsight) that Mayweather was MUCH better than Corrales