Why Wilder vs Fury Makes More Sense Than Any Other Fight

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  • koolkc107
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    Why Wilder vs Fury Makes More Sense Than Any Other Fight

    There have been many threads hypothesizing that either Wilder or Fury would make more money if they would have just signed to fight AJ.

    Well, as Tyson Fury so eloquently pointed out earlier this week, that's only true if both parties deal fairly. However, that is not what Hearn appears to be doing.

    I don't know what Hearn has offered Fury, but it is well known that the last offer from Hearn to Wilder was 15M (some reports have it a little more than that but 15 is the last number disclosed).

    But, is 15M the best Wilder or Fury could do?

    Even a conservative estimate of what a Fury vs. Wilder fight might net says otherwise.

    The following are indeed assumptions, but given how we all know roughly the way things go in big fights, I think most folks will agree these estimates are well within the realm of possibility.

    First, the gate.

    The last big fight in Vegas, Canelo vs GGG, did 27M. I think a Fury/Wilder fight will do as well; however, this is a conservative estimate so we will only assume part of that amount, say 18M.

    Next, PPV.

    Joshua has done around 1.5M or more PPV buys on Sky in two of his last three fights. But, the Wilder vs Fury fight will be in Vegas, probably at 4 or 5 am in Britain so the numbers will be less and perhaps significantly so. 800K buys seems a decent compromise when you take into account Joshua's buys in regular time and the totals of big fights from Vegas shown in the wee hours in Britain, like Mayweather against Hatton or McGregor. That's another 11M after the folks at BT take their cut. American PPV will also be in play. This fight should do a million buys easily...after all, Canelo vs Chavez jr did a million and everyone knew how that fight would go. This one may also have a foregone conclusion, but less so. And, these are not only heavies, but two of the most loquacious heavies since Ali. I am extremely confident this will do very well on US PPV, but to stay conservative, let's assume 600K buys. That's 19M after the cable companies take their money.

    We are already at 48M net.

    That's 24 million apiece for Fury and Wilder, who I am sure are doing this 50/50 or close to it.

    And, this doesn't include any sponsorships, Vegas site fees (like the 40M that Vegas was willing to pay for the AJ v Wilder fight), or other foreign tv rights.

    24 million each.

    Isn't that larger than any of AJ's paydays?

    Whether it is or isn't, it is certainly more than anything Hearn is offering to Fury or Wilder.

    And remember, this is a conservative estimate- the real numbers are surely going to be better than this once Deontay and Tyson are done hyping this.

    This is why the fight makes so much sense.

    This is why the fight makes sense THIS YEAR.

    This why you hear Hearn, or a Matchroom stoolie like Whyte or Bellew, throw shade at the possibility of the fight happening in one breath, then calling for a fight in Britain instead in the very next one.

    A Wilder vs Fury fight is very, very bad news on so many levels for Eddie Hearn and ALL of his fighters.
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    So now its about money again ?

    Neither guy is making close to 24 Million either .


    It doesnt make sense bc everyone but the Wilderettes know Fury isht top form ( though he'll still probably win ) and its not a unification fight so Wilder losing not only ruins the better fight it stops Wilders crying about money itself bc he wont have to worry about arguing what he thinks hes worth .

    The fight only makes sense for Fury bc even in a loss he has an excuse to fall back on and a domestic rivalry with Joshua , Wilder has Joshua thats it keeping him relevant .

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      #3
      Originally posted by juggernaut666
      So now its about money again ?

      Neither guy is making close to 24 Million either .


      It doesnt make sense bc everyone but the Wilderettes know Fury isht top form ( though he'll still probably win ) and its not a unification fight so Wilder losing not only ruins the better fight it stops Wilders crying about money itself bc he wont have to worry about arguing what he thinks hes worth .

      The fight only makes sense for Fury bc even in a loss he has an excuse to fall back on and a domestic rivalry with Joshua , Wilder has Joshua thats it keeping him relevant .
      I simply sought to explain to those posters who are trying to say Wilder or Fury should have took what Hearn offered.

      These projections say different.

      And, they are conservative.

      When all is said and done, I think Tyson and Deontay make a good deal more each.

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        I think you're right. I can see Fury and Wilder both walking away with more than Hearn would offer them to fight Joshua in the U.K.

        A fair split is what it's about..... I always wondered why Hearn said the 15 million was about 30-35% any way, and why he didn't just offer that split instead?

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          #5
          Ok

          No way does wilder or fury does a huge gate. Nobody gives a sht about either of them lol this is going to be embarrassing for you when the fight flops of it happens

          Nobody in the uk will hardly buy it either as it will be on at a silly time and on a second rate network In bt

          What you are also forgetting

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          Ppv buys, 55-60 percent goes out to the providers of the show

          Wilder will not make more than 15m sterling vs fury, he may walk home with 6m. Delusion at its finest, the fight will not do more than 100k Ppv buys

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            #6
            Originally posted by Vinnykin
            I think you're right. I can see Fury and Wilder both walking away with more than Hearn would offer them to fight Joshua in the U.K.

            A fair split is what it's about..... I always wondered why Hearn said the 15 million was about 30-35% any way, and why he didn't just offer that split instead?

            The 15 Million is 30% based on a 50 Million fight that Finkel projected it to be in the U.K .



            Anything over that percentage Joshua had generated , Wilder has not made outside 2.1 Million in one fight and never on PPV this is not a hard guy to offer less ,its common sense .

            If it got to 60 Million and Wilder got his split he sees about 20 Million so he really is just holding out for more money but willing to fight Fury ? lol


            Lets not forget he had a rematch claus at 50% in a fight worth 50 Million to Wilder IF he defeated Joshua !

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              #7
              Originally posted by koolkc107
              I simply sought to explain to those posters who are trying to say Wilder or Fury should have took what Hearn offered.

              These projections say different.

              And, they are conservative.

              When all is said and done, I think Tyson and Deontay make a good deal more each.
              I dont see how either guy is projected to make 24 Million unless Fury is taking 5 %! lol


              Fury is not known in the states and far to inactive since 2015 to rely on another guy never been on PPV .......it doesnt make sense bringing in drawing power like that .

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                Originally posted by juggernaut666
                I dont see how either guy is projected to make 24 Million unless Fury is taking 5 %! lol


                Fury is not known in the states and far to inactive since 2015 to rely on another guy never been on PPV .......it doesnt make sense bringing in drawing power like that .
                Well, my argument is laid out in the OP and I think I am severely underestimating the numbers.

                In reality, it's going to do much better and Fury and Wilder will make even more.

                I didn't include any site fee.

                Vegas was on record as willing to pay 40M for Wilder/AJ. Well, Wilder/Fury is also 2 undefeated heavies and one of them is the lineal. And, I don't think anyone doubts the hype leading up to THIS fight will be much, much better than even a AJ fight. You think Haymon and Warren aren't going to get at least half of what they were going to get for the other fight?

                As for Fury not being known in the states, he is more well known than AJ. When he fought Wlad, they did over a million views. That's over 400K more than the live showing of AJ vs Wlad, even tho the Fury fight was on in the afternoon in the US too.

                This fight is going to do very well and if you want to ignore that fact you are welcome to. Just don't be shocked when it does.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Vinnykin
                  I think you're right. I can see Fury and Wilder both walking away with more than Hearn would offer them to fight Joshua in the U.K.

                  A fair split is what it's about..... I always wondered why Hearn said the 15 million was about 30-35% any way, and why he didn't just offer that split instead?
                  Because he was lying and was trying to rip off Wilder. At one point he claimed it equated 37.5%. If he had actually offered 37.5%, Wilder would have accepted. If he offered 37.5% right now for April, Wilder would accept.

                  Hearn is a promoter. His job is to lie. His job is to pay Wilder as little as possible and protect AJ as much as possible. It's nothing personal. Hearn is a great promoter just doing his job.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by koolkc107
                    I simply sought to explain to those posters who are trying to say Wilder or Fury should have took what Hearn offered.

                    These projections say different.

                    And, they are conservative.

                    When all is said and done, I think Tyson and Deontay make a good deal more each.
                    800k UK PPV buys for a fight at 4 in the morning between an American and a Brit without much of a fanbase is 'conservative'?

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