Wilder is very smart

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Typical F.ucking lames criticizing this possible fight

What we know is that Wilder is now trying to fight the best competition

He was down for a Povetkin fight in Russia

He actually pursued a fight against the divisions boogeyman in Ortiz eleven after a dirty test

He was more then willing to face AJ in the UK even with a BS offer after AJ and his team went against their word and turned down a record breaking guarantee

And now he has his sights on Fury who was the actual man to beat the man and still lineal

This is what AJs done got his first trinket against Charles Martin who was the weakest Champ holding a strap

fought Klit a year and a half after being embarrassed by Fury who hadn’t looked dominant in 3 years for a another trinket somehow

And beating Parker who hasn’t had a impressive performance in years since he got his strap and has shown he isn’t a top shelf HW

AJ has the better names on his CV and more trinkets but it’s clear Wilder is the one who is actually trying to fight the best competition

they are shameless great post!

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First lie: "Klitschko was committed to Jennings before Wilder was even a champion."

Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Wilder became champion January 17, 2015, at which point Klitschko was committed to a Jennings fight. Negotiations for Klitschko-Jennings began in November 2014. A deal was struck in December 2014. Then Roc Nation bought GSP and asked to renegotiate some points. Those minor modifications were completed the weekend of Stiverne-Wilder and two days later ESPN was given the exclusive to announce the fight. Wilder never had a chance to unify before the Jennings fight. You are caught in a blatant lie here.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...-square-garden

Klitschko and Jennings will meet for the world championship April 25 (HBO) at Madison Square Garden in New York after the deal, in the works since November, was agreed to over the weekend.

Second lie: "Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory."

Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. While you can usually get unification approved over a mandatory, it is more difficult when a fighter is a double mandatory as you need two approvals instead of one. The Fury fight was also more lucrative than a Wilder fight at that point, making the organizations less inclined to cooperate as the entire reason unification typically trumps mandatory is because the organizations want the bigger fight to happen because it puts more money in their pockets.

I didn't say it would have been impossible to avoid Fury. I said difficult. The plan was to clear Klitschko of all of his mandatories, (an early 2016 fight against Glazkov would have cleared his final mandatory and made Klitschko a TV free agent in the US), and then jump from HBO to Showtime to fight Wilder on pay-per-view.

Third lie: "Klitschko and Wilder had the same manager"

Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point.

Here's the article announcing Wilder signed with Shelly Finkel:

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3560484

The 22-year-old from Tuscaloosa, Ala., on Thursday signed a multi-year contract with powerful manager Shelly Finkel.

Finkel knows a thing or two about heavyweights champions. He's managed former heavyweight champions Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Michael Moorer and currently manages unified titleholder Wladimir Klitschko and his older brother, former titleholder Vitali Klitschko.

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basically any fight aj takes is a good fight, and anything wilder does isn't.

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Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Wilder became champion January 17, 2015, at which point Klitschko was committed to a Jennings fight. Negotiations for Klitschko-Jennings began in November 2014. A deal was struck in December 2014. Then Roc Nation bought GSP and asked to renegotiate some points. Those minor modifications were completed the weekend of Stiverne-Wilder and two days later ESPN was given the exclusive to announce the fight. Wilder never had a chance to unify before the Jennings fight. You are caught in a blatant lie here.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...-square-garden

Klitschko and Jennings will meet for the world championship April 25 (HBO) at Madison Square Garden in New York after the deal, in the works since November, was agreed to over the weekend.




Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. While you can usually get unification approved over a mandatory, it is more difficult when a fighter is a double mandatory as you need two approvals instead of one. The Fury fight was also more lucrative than a Wilder fight at that point, making the organizations less inclined to cooperate as the entire reason unification typically trumps mandatory is because the organizations want the bigger fight to happen because it puts more money in their pockets.

I didn't say it would have been impossible to avoid Fury. I said difficult. The plan was to clear Klitschko of all of his mandatories, (an early 2016 fight against Glazkov would have cleared his final mandatory and made Klitschko a TV free agent in the US), and then jump from HBO to Showtime to fight Wilder on pay-per-view.




Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point.

Here's the article announcing Wilder signed with Shelly Finkel:

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3560484

The 22-year-old from Tuscaloosa, Ala., on Thursday signed a multi-year contract with powerful manager Shelly Finkel.

Finkel knows a thing or two about heavyweights champions. He's managed former heavyweight champions Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Michael Moorer and currently manages unified titleholder Wladimir Klitschko and his older brother, former titleholder Vitali Klitschko.

no matter what facts you post they will argue.

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yeah thats why his manager said he was a baby and is not interested in a unification fight yet, thats grabbing the bull by the horns after 40 or whatever fights alrite, hes getting there though, he has multi million dollar contracts to mull over

Shelly Finkel was managing Wilder and Klitschko at the time. When Finkel said Wilder wouldn't be rushed to Klitschko and needed a couple quick defenses first, Klitschko's fight against Jennings had already been announced.

Finkel kept his word and scheduled two quick defenses for Wilder and then had Wilder call out Klitschko publicly in a major article before the Fury fight. The timeline clearly shows Wilder wasn't avoiding unification because those two quick defenses Finkel wanted him to make took place when Klitschko wasn't available anyway.

If Klitschko didn't lose, Finkel was going to match him against Wilder in 2016.

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This is a lie. Klitschko was committed to Jennings before Wilder was even a champion. Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory.

Klitschko and Wilder had the same manager, who said Wilder needed two quick defenses before he'd be ready for Klitschko. So Wilder made two quick defenses before Klitschko even fought Fury. Wilder went public in a major article before the Klitschko/Fury fight calling out Klitschko for a fight in 2016. A fight being planned by Finkel for SHO PPV as soon as Klitschko's HBO deal was up.

Big problem. Klitschko was shockingly upset by Fury, ruining the whole plan.

But your claim that Wilder avoided unification is ridiculous because Klitschko lost all of his titles the same year Wilder won his title.

Right on point and totally destroyed the thread. But some guys aren't smart enough to understand it

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Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Wilder became champion January 17, 2015, at which point Klitschko was committed to a Jennings fight. Negotiations for Klitschko-Jennings began in November 2014. A deal was struck in December 2014. Then Roc Nation bought GSP and asked to renegotiate some points. Those minor modifications were completed the weekend of Stiverne-Wilder and two days later ESPN was given the exclusive to announce the fight. Wilder never had a chance to unify before the Jennings fight. You are caught in a blatant lie here.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...-square-garden

Klitschko and Jennings will meet for the world championship April 25 (HBO) at Madison Square Garden in New York after the deal, in the works since November, was agreed to over the weekend.




Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. While you can usually get unification approved over a mandatory, it is more difficult when a fighter is a double mandatory as you need two approvals instead of one. The Fury fight was also more lucrative than a Wilder fight at that point, making the organizations less inclined to cooperate as the entire reason unification typically trumps mandatory is because the organizations want the bigger fight to happen because it puts more money in their pockets.

I didn't say it would have been impossible to avoid Fury. I said difficult. The plan was to clear Klitschko of all of his mandatories, (an early 2016 fight against Glazkov would have cleared his final mandatory and made Klitschko a TV free agent in the US), and then jump from HBO to Showtime to fight Wilder on pay-per-view.




Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point.

Here's the article announcing Wilder signed with Shelly Finkel:

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3560484

The 22-year-old from Tuscaloosa, Ala., on Thursday signed a multi-year contract with powerful manager Shelly Finkel.

Finkel knows a thing or two about heavyweights champions. He's managed former heavyweight champions Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Michael Moorer and currently manages unified titleholder Wladimir Klitschko and his older brother, former titleholder Vitali Klitschko.

Lol .. you linked to an article by Dan Rafael? How desperate do you have to be to do that?

It's well known that Finkel worked with Bernd Boente on setting up Wlad and Vitali's US fights. To a lazy, incompetant oaf like Fat Dan, that probably counts as being the Klit bro's manager .. but not to anybody with a brain in their head. Boente was Wlad and Vitali's manager, not Finkel.

It's also well known that Wlad badly wanted to unify the HW division by winning the WBC belt after his brother vacated it. The Klits bros never negotiated in the media or made public statements about fights they were trying to make. Everything happened quietly, behind the scenes.

The only possible motive that Shelly Finkel could have had for making his infamous statement about Wilder being "still a baby" and "not ready for Wlad" after he won the WBC title was that Boente had approached him - quietly, behind the scenes - to ask about matching Wilder with Wlad, and had been told "no deal"

And leaving the Jennings fight aside - which Wlad himself might possibly have wanted first, before unifying with Wilder - there was absolutely no reason at all why Wilder couldn't have fought Wlad after Wlad beat Jennings.

Your claim that the WBO and WBA wouldn't have delayed their mandos to allow a 4 belt unification fight between Wlad and Wilder is preposterous.

Especially coming from a guy who has claimed - multiple times - that AJ could have ignored the the WBA order to finalise their mando because the IBF are the only organisation who will not always give priority to unification - even after a purse bid has been ordered.

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It's well known that Finkel worked with Bernd Boente on setting up Wlad and Vitali's US fights. To a lazy, incompetant oaf like Fat Dan, that probably counts as being the Klit bro's manager .. but not to anybody with a brain in their head. Boente was Wlad and Vitali's manager, not Finkel.

Some fighters have more than one manager. To say Finkel never managed Klitschko is a lie. Klitschko vs. Wilder would have taken place in the US and Finkel was the one putting the deal together. That fight was the plan and both fighters shared a manager. The fight didn't happen because Fury won. Period.

I said when Wilder won the title, Wladimir already had plans to fight Jennings. Which is true. You should apologize for saying it was a lie when I've conclusively proven you're wrong.

The only possible motive that Shelly Finkel could have had for making his infamous statement about Wilder being "still a baby" and "not ready for Wlad" after he won the WBC title was that Boente had approached him - quietly, behind the scenes - to ask about matching Wilder with Wlad, and had been told "no deal"

Complete bull**** on your part. Wladimir was committed to fighting Jennings on HBO already. Finkel's plan was to get two quick defenses for Wilder and then make the fight for 2016. The fight didn't happen because Klitschko lost. No other reason. Finkel wouldn't have set up that feature in Forbes hyping Klitschko vs. Wilder for 2016 if that fight wasn't being planned.

The previous poster said Wilder ducked unifying with Klitschko. That is a blatant lie and you know it. Wilder never had a chance to unify because Klitschko lost. Finkel's comments about Wilder not being rushed are irrelevant because Finkel kept his word and scheduled those two defenses very quickly. Wilder would have been ready as soon as Klitschko was ready.

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This is a lie. Klitschko was committed to Jennings before Wilder was even a champion. Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory.

Klitschko and Wilder had the same manager, who said Wilder needed two quick defenses before he'd be ready for Klitschko. So Wilder made two quick defenses before Klitschko even fought Fury. Wilder went public in a major article before the Klitschko/Fury fight calling out Klitschko for a fight in 2016. A fight being planned by Finkel for SHO PPV as soon as Klitschko's HBO deal was up.

Big problem. Klitschko was shockingly upset by Fury, ruining the whole plan.

But your claim that Wilder avoided unification is ridiculous because Klitschko lost all of his titles the same year Wilder won his title.

ouch...........

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Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory.


Big problem. Klitschko was shockingly upset by Fury, ruining the whole plan.

The previous poster said Wilder ducked unifying with Klitschko. That is a blatant lie and you know it. Wilder never had a chance to unify because Klitschko lost.

Fury being Wlad's mando with both the WBO and WBA wouldn't have made any difference at all to the unification >> mando situation, especially as the only mando which had actually been ordered was the WBA.

And you said this about AJ and Wilder:

Unification still takes priority over mandatory, even if the mandatory has been ordered to bid, in every organization except the IBF.

So now I'm confused. Please explain why you think that Wilder couldn't have negotiated a unification with Wlad, but AJ could have carried on negotiating with Wilder, even though the WBA had given him a 24 hour deadline to finalise a deal with Povetkin or be stripped.