Comments Thread For: Joshua To Wilder: If You Believe You Can Win - Sign Contract!

[uppercut510]

Hasnt wilder turned down that contract? Why does eddie n aj keep bringing it up? Why was aj so quite after the $50mil was turned down and now has so much to say about fighting wilder? Just move on and deal with pedvtkin wilder may be fighting fury by the end of the year.

[Scipio2009]

So you’re dis*****g Wilder agreed to the $15 million? That’s what it sounds like.

I just want to know your position on that, because you’ve replied to my post which was a reply to someone else saying fighters ‘should stick to their word.’

I'm saying that Wilder and his camp said that $15m was short, but that they were willing to take that if fighting Joshua was next. There were questions in the deal (for all the talk of the date and whatever, it seems clear that the fight not being on Showtime/CBS and Anthony Joshua being the only one with a written right to a rematch were major stumbling blocks), but the moment that Povetkin "had to" be fought first, any agreement on taking short money went out the window.

Wilder still knows that $15m is short, Joshua is fighting someone else, and Wilder has made his terms clear to start a second round of talks; 50/50, no rematch clause for either fighter (if it's a good event, the car can easily sit and hash out the terms for a rematch, likely simply taking up the Las Vegas offer), no DAZN nonsense (Wilder never asked or expected Joshua to abandon Sky Sports).

If Joshua wants the fight in April after Povetkin (and not have to dance with the IBF over their owed mandatory), he's alerted to the points needed for a deal.

[SUBZER0ED]

Bumsquad doesn't want the fight unless he'll get enough to retire. He knows a fight with Joshua will expose him as the bum that he is and always has been.

[uppercut510]

If the $50 million offer had any basis at all, they wouldn’t have morphed from that to serious negotiations with Hearn about his offer in the space of days. If it had any backbone at all, it would have been the starting point of those negotiations.

As it was it was cast aside and forgotten once Hearn presented a realistic, workable plan.

Only Wilder fans still talk about it, forgetting that more advanced negotiations for a fight happened after that offer.

If AJ had turned down the $50 million and that was the end of the story then fair enough, call it. But that’s not what happened.

While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there.

Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK.

If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States.

"It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken [Joshua's trainer] that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson.

"If Wilder wins, the rematch can be over there in America. We are going back and forth with talks at the moment and I'm confident we can make that fight. AJ appreciates he might not make as much money by fighting in the U.K. but realises that Wilder should be coming to the U.K. to fight first."

Joshua has grown accustomed to having massive crowds at his events, which recently range from 76-90,000 fans packing a stadium.

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[uppercut510]

First of all this $50 million offer was a PR scheme on the part of Deontay Wilder and Shelly Finkel. It was never real. And only the fans of Deontay Wilder's social media antics take that 50 million dollar offer seriously. The "we will not send you anything in writing until you accept the offer" stance is proof positive that this was not a genuine offer. And cancelling face to face meetings that were already prearranged because "meeting would be nonconstructive without them accepting the offer" is not what someone who was serious about making a deal would do or say. Calling someone gay or changing their name into an insult does not help you prove your point. It just makes you and all of the Wilder supporters seem like a bunch of rabid dogs who don't even care about whats real or not real. And being in the power position or being the A-side gives you the privelege of having advantages going in to a fight. How many times has Deontay Wilder been willing to give up his advantages over his opponents? He is just so use to fighting nobodies with no leverage that he is just appalled by being in a situation where ultimately he can't have it all his way.

While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there.

Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK.

If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States.

"It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken [Joshua's trainer] that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson.

"If Wilder wins, the rematch can be over there in America. We are going back and forth with talks at the moment and I'm confident we can make that fight. AJ appreciates he might not make as much money by fighting in the U.K. but realises that Wilder should be coming to the U.K. to fight first."

Joshua has grown accustomed to having massive crowds at his events, which recently range from 76-90,000 fans packing a stadium.

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[cameltoe]

I'm saying that Wilder and his camp said that $15m was short, but that they were willing to take that if fighting Joshua was next. There were questions in the deal (for all the talk of the date and whatever, it seems clear that the fight not being on Showtime/CBS and Anthony Joshua being the only one with a written right to a rematch were major stumbling blocks), but the moment that Povetkin "had to" be fought first, any agreement on taking short money went out the window.

Wilder still knows that $15m is short, Joshua is fighting someone else, and Wilder has made his terms clear to start a second round of talks; 50/50, no rematch clause for either fighter (if it's a good event, the car can easily sit and hash out the terms for a rematch, likely simply taking up the Las Vegas offer), no DAZN nonsense (Wilder never asked or expected Joshua to abandon Sky Sports).

If Joshua wants the fight in April after Povetkin (and not have to dance with the IBF over their owed mandatory), he's alerted to the points needed for a deal.

Yep fair enough. Can’t argue there.

But I was literally just calling someone out who said ‘fighters should stick to their word’ in reference to AJ requesting $50 mil.

So in the same breath, agree $15 million deal= sign the contract. Stick to your word. There was nothing more complicated than that in my post.

[peplz]

Your INSANE if you think MGM couldnt come up with the $50 million. Thats a drop in the bucket for them. They make that back from the high rollers alone...Dan Rafeal also stated this.

As if Dan Rafael doesn't have a well established reputation for being extremely biased...

[uppercut510]

As if Dan Rafael doesn't have a well established reputation for being extremely biased...

sir, if the 50 mil wasn't real then why did hearn say aj is willing to take less money to fight at home? its okay, he turned it down. the reason it keeps getting brought up is because a lot of aj fans keep saying it was never real and a pr stunt, hearn knew it was real and aj went silent for months after asking for it and getting the offer. the 50mil offer was for the fight ot be in America, hearn said they would rather it in the UK which is ok... hopefully you all can come to grips with this so we can stop bringing it up.

[peplz]

Wilder doesn't need to campaign for anything though; after "we want Wilder next" became "we want Wilder in September in the UK", to "we can't find Wilder until earliest October" to "we have a day to agree to a mandatory, so let's instead make that April 2019", all on admittedly short money with DAZN being snuck into the deal late, Wilder did the only thing he could do.

Tell the public how hard he tried to make the fight, lay out the ****ery for them to see what he dealt with, make it clear that he's only sitting back down for real talks (50/50 of everything isn't going to happen but the marker is laid), and move on with the next best fights that his camp can get for him.

And now it's on Joshua/Hearn to answer for what they did; the UK media will likely give them some leeway, but any sports media outside of the UK that Joshua will have to interact with will ask him why he's not fighting Wilder (with some going as far to possibly ask why he walked away from $50m+ to fight Wilder to instead fight Povetkin for $20m-$25m), with no one giving a **** about DAZN and only a few caring to think about Povetkin.

And that's going to be the case with every fight he can dream of, until he gives Deontay Wilder a real offer to fight (Wilder can talk 50/50 all he wants, the public won't let him walk away from 40% and Showtime carrying the fight in the US without giving him **** for it).

You have a lot of wishful thinking going on in there. And honestly, there is a lot of truth in what you have said here. The part that you may not see is that I look at all of what you have laid out as clear evidence of a strategy to use fake negotiations that were intended to fail as a way for Deontay Wilder to promote himself and parade himself through the media as the guy that everyone is afraid of. And up to this point it seems to have worked. But never has this strategy actually worked when it comes to getting a fight made. When Manny Pacquiao and Bob Arum used a similar strategy with Floyd Mayweather it ended up stalling the fight for six years. If you want to get a replay of that then by all means pretend that you don't see what Deontay Wilder has been up to all along.

[peplz]

sir, if the 50 mil wasn't real then why did hearn say aj is willing to take less money to fight at home? its okay, he turned it down. the reason it keeps getting brought up is because a lot of aj fans keep saying it was never real and a pr stunt, hearn knew it was real and aj went silent for months after asking for it and getting the offer. the 50mil offer was for the fight ot be in America, hearn said they would rather it in the UK which is ok... hopefully you all can come to grips with this so we can stop bringing it up.

So you basically want people to pretend that they agree with the 50 million dollar nonsense just because you keep bringing it up. Now you know that's never going to happen. So I guess you're just going to have to keep bringing it up. But the more you bring it up and repeat all of the silly reasons that you put any stock into it the more ridiculous it sounds. You want us to look at this "offer" without any context. The only reason you want Wilder to be given such blind and ignorant consideration is because that's what he wants and your obviously a supporter of his.