Floyd fans count a greeb weight drained canelo and JMM who went up not one but two weight classes so where do you stand on those??
How is 2lb on a larger guy the same as 2lb on a smaller guy, one is hit harder by the percent of bodyweight, Manny would not go near Canelo with a barge pole at 152 lbs, or Oscar at 154 or Margo Cotto at 154, Manny is histories World Champion at manipulating weight he brings them up or down to suit himself with no rhyme or reason other than how much risk he perceives them to be.
JMM weighed exactly the same weight on the night being schooled by Floyd as he did KOing Manny , Floyd was out for nearly two yrs and weighed 146 which was lighter than what Manny weighed when Juan put him to sleep, you ever see anywhere where JMM wanted a rematch with Floyd, Nacho said Floyd is from another galaxy you cant beat him with a stick, that comment might be a hint why JMM never wanted a rematch.
And after Manny CWed Cotto Oscar Margo, he brought up in weight Rios Algerie and JJM, if that wasnt enough he is now trying to CW Lomo and will not fight a top WW at 147 when he has fought as a WW for 9 yrs .
Really buddy, go and break down what your saying with numbers and weights of both fighters with common opponents because you trying to find fox holes when there is none, if it was a court of law you would be thrown out of court for wasting its time with frivolous BS.
He literally beat 6 HOF in dominate fashion during this time. Morales, Barrera, Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto. Do you think we will ever see a crazy run like that again? Thoughts?
Originally posted by Hatesrats
Manny never dominated JMM.
There's a strong argument that he didn't beat Marquez once. Marequez should definitely have gotten the nod in the second fight.
Floyd fans count a greeb weight drained canelo and JMM who went up not one but two weight classes so where do you stand on those??
Why are you pivoting to ask me a question about Floyd chuckguy?
I answered the question the TS asked. I don't think the run he highlights is as impressive as he does given the context of each fight. I think my answer is fair.
When these kinds of questions are asked about Manny or other top fighters many of you immediately pivot to asking about Floyd whenever a Floyd fans answers the question as if being a Floyd fan automatically mitigates the answer given or makes it biased.
its not a fact that he drew with marquez since he beat him by SD during this period. i think you are confusing the word fact with opinion or you just dont know what we are talking about which is normal
also a floyd fan talking about name value...NAME THE PRME FIGHTERS FLOYD BEAT oh my that always works. its low i know
The context of the 1st fight matters daggum. Manny was up 10-6 after 3 KD's in round 1 and the fight ended up a draw and many fans felt JMM won that fight. I don't see how giving up a 4 pt lead in a fight over someone you were favored against is something to highlight as "impressive".
As for his wins over JMM, both of them have been questioned and debated alot because more than half of the scorers at ringside had him losing or had the fight a draw.
As I posted to chuckguy, asking what floyd did is a deflective mechanism you and others use whenever facts are brought up that refute whatever pro Manny angle the TS has taken.
Floyd's resume has no bearing on how we answer this question. The facts and context of the fights do.
I don't think the run the TS cites is that impressive when context is considered. If you go with just name value on paper well yeah it looks incredible.
I could've been petty and brought up Hatton had been KO'd by Floyd (note that you and others always point out how Manny being KTFO by JMM mitigates Floyd's win over him does the same thing apply here?) and the fact Barrera had lost 2x to Jones and had retired ("when the division was heating up") and then came back.
I didn't do that so I don't see why you are upset other than my answer is fair.
barrera and morales were ranked #1 and 2 in 2006. not relevant...makes no sense. then marquez became the new #2 guy behind pac, and pac beat him. but pac had already beaten a better barrera so lets just say top ranked morales and marquez while adding in a win over diaz who was top 3, hatton who was the lineal champ, and a win over "drained" cotto hmm yea ill take that over judah coming off a loss to a bum, a bum named baldomir, and 2 guys moving up in weight. good try larry but floyd can't win everything. there are no judges or refs to help him win my opinion.
Well that's good because Baldomir was #1 and Judah was.#3.
You put a lot of stock on rankings right?
You must rank Floyd extremely high considering that.
How is 2lb on a larger guy the same as 2lb on a smaller guy, one is hit harder by the percent of bodyweight, Manny would not go near Canelo with a barge pole at 152 lbs, or Oscar at 154 or Margo Cotto at 154, Manny is histories World Champion at manipulating weight he brings them up or down to suit himself with no rhyme or reason other than how much risk he perceives them to be.
JMM weighed exactly the same weight on the night being schooled by Floyd as he did KOing Manny , Floyd was out for nearly two yrs and weighed 146 which was lighter than what Manny weighed when Juan put him to sleep, you ever see anywhere where JMM wanted a rematch with Floyd, Nacho said Floyd is from another galaxy you cant beat him with a stick, that comment might be a hint why JMM never wanted a rematch.
And after Manny CWed Cotto Oscar Margo, he brought up in weight Rios Algerie and JJM, if that wasnt enough he is now trying to CW Lomo and will not fight a top WW at 147 when he has fought as a WW for 9 yrs .
Really buddy, go and break down what your saying with numbers and weights of both fighters with common opponents because you trying to find fox holes when there is none, if it was a court of law you would be thrown out of court for wasting its time with frivolous BS.
You see this here is the ******ed Floyd logic. I’m the same post this ******ed praises Floyd and finds some bs to justify it but at the same time he is able to criticize Manny for doing much less
Ding ding ding ladies and gentlemen we have a winner!!!
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