Disspelling the Floyd-USADA Conspiracy

[Real King Kong]

Shady why? What reason is there to disbelieve the sequence of events, when even Hauser admits his original accusations were misguided?

a guy who brags about walking around on weight and has allegedly never rehydrated past 150ish is suddenly severely dehydrated to the point of needing an emergency iv? the same guy who's had suspect test results in the past. there's no concrete evidence just like there's none on pac, but I bet you have no problems saying he's su****ious af...which he is.

[CHOWWOKKA]

but i thought he loss, so that means hauser must be telling the truth right?

OR....and bear with me here..
You are both dumb... door knobs usually come in pairs so it makes sense

[Shape up]

I can use numbers and tell you why he needed it.


He needed it because he was dehydrated. You act like this was the only time he was ever dehydrated. He's a professional athlete and he was preparing for the biggest fight of his career.


He was also dehydrated for the Mosley fight.


If you want proof of that, or if you want some numbers to back up what I said about Hauser's simple ass, give a shout.


Though it's real funny that you would want me to give something opinion based instead of backing up what I said with numbers.

You know very well that mild dehydration WILL NOT get a legitimate TUE, severe dehydration and he would have to go to hospital, stop sucking fluids knob

[WesternChamp]

OR....and bear with me here..
You are both dumb... door knobs usually come in pairs so it makes sense

but you were the one who was trying to base this off who i thought won between pac vs bradley 1? you would have no problem had i said pac won and you would have said this is why hauser cant be taken seriously lol.

[b00g13man]

a guy who brags about walking around on weight and has allegedly never rehydrated past 150ish is suddenly severely dehydrated to the point of needing an emergency iv? the same guy who's had suspect test results in the past. there's no concrete evidence just like there's none on pac, but I bet you have no problems saying he's su****ious af...which he is.

What suspect test results? Care to show some proof?

I've gone on record as saying that I'm 99.99% sure that he has doped at some point. Every athlete has. This however isn't anywhere near a smoking gun.

[CHOWWOKKA]

but you were the one who was trying to base this off who i thought won between pac vs bradley 1? you would have no problem had i said pac won and you would have said this is why hauser cant be taken seriously lol.

Oooh we have a doorknob mindreader who sees green skies..
Anyway ultimately I dont care anymore. We are in the age where fighters can use PED's and still pass tests, and fighters can just refuse to take tests and people will still back them. Hauser is known to make things up so you should never use him as a credible source for anything. End of

[BattlingNelson]

That's not how the process works. The USADA doping control officer was with Floyd the entire day. Followed him everywhere. When the paramedics are called, the USADA DCO is there relaying information to USADA. When the IV is administered, the DCO collects urine before the IV is given and after the IV is given. USADA is kept abreast of the situation and knows Floyd will be required to apply for a retroactive TUE. I don't know the exact amount of days you have to submit the paperwork, but 2-3 weeks wouldn't be unreasonable considering the amount of lawyers, doctors, witnesses, etc involved. Meanwhile, USADA is doing their own investigating, questioning witnesses, analyzing information from the DCO etc.

When Floyd's team submits his TUE, the TUE committee looks it over, having no idea it's Floyd. If everything is done by the book and the paperwork is filled out correctly, and a USADA DCO witnessed everything, the athlete gave a sample before and after the IV, etc, it's a pretty easy case to decide. Shouldn't take the committee more than a day to determine everything was legitimate.




Wasn't a "massive" IV. Was the size of a small bottle of water. If you were going to do a system flush, you'd take a lot more than that, you wouldn't do it in front of USADA and you wouldn't give a urine sample right before the IV. 750ml of salt water & vitamins isn't going to mask anything when you give a sample right before & right after.




All of this was voluntary. NAC rules didn't prohibit IV. Floyd & Manny chose to voluntarily hire USADA to determine if any IV use was for legitimate medical purposes. A small bottle of salt water & vitamins doesn't give you any advantage. If you provide a urine sample right before & right after, there's no way for it to mask anything. Nothing controversial took place. What happened is that HBO hired a former journalist to smear Mayweather. The article has been debunked.

You need a medical exemption to get the TUE. How do you determine if the athlete qualifies for a medical exemption and who determines that? What are the names of those doctors who gave that exemption? That was the question.

And if it doesn’t give the athlete any advantage is ridiculous. Of course it does. What would hav ehaplened if Floyd didn’t get the IV? Why is it illegal in several countries and in cycling in general to use IV? Don’t say you don’t know. Straight answers please.

Oh and the IV was massive.

[Real King Kong]

What suspect test results? Care to show some proof?

I've gone on record as saying that I'm 99.99% sure that he has doped at some point. Every athlete has. This however isn't anywhere near a smoking gun.

fair enough...I must have mistaken you for some other ball washer who refuses to even entertain the possibility that Floyd could ever be dirty.

I was referring to the low t/e ratios...which is consistent with masking peds...which is what some ped users use iv's for. I'm not saying that Floyd is dirty, or even that this situation wasn't totally legit...but I'm acknowledging that these things look su****ious at face value.

[N/A]

NSAC follows wada set guidelines/methods so does USADA.

please show us where nac rules said at the time that they follow wada methods.

you cant because they didnt.


https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/USADAs-Detailed-Correction-to-SB-Nation-Article-by-Tom-Hauser.pdf

There was no loophole in the Testing Agreement. Because, as the NSAC advised Mr. Hauser, IVs are not prohibited in the NSAC rules. As such, there was no need for Mr. Mayweather to apply to NSAC for a TUE for the use of IVs. The TUE that was granted to by USADA to Mr. Mayweather was reported in accordance with the reporting obligations contained in the Testing Agreement, which specified that a TUE would only be disclosed upon its approval, not at the application stage.

[Reloaded]

750ml is not permitted under any rules of NSAC.

750 ml is nothing, a dam Greyhound that weighs 60lbs gets more IV fluids for dehydration.