Comments Thread For: Wilder: Eddie Hearn is Not a Guy That You Can Trust

[filup79]

Can you tell me how much deontay wilder was going to get if AJ asccepted the 50 million ?

I mean.. concrete evidence on how much that fight is worth that wouldnt crumble to a myriad of different points already public knowledge?

Because unless that fight does over 75/80 million dollars in the US, then wilder wouldnt make any more than what hes being offered now.

by all means, please tell me with accuracy and not opinion how the AJ / WILDER fight makes over 80 million in the US and wilder gets substantially more than whats being offered to him

What would it matter what Wilder was getting. AJ was getting 50 million and probably more. Hearn doesn't seem to care that Wilder receive a fair share off the fight but only cared when it was Team Wilder making an offer.

If Hearn and AJ wanted the fight like they say, it would get made. Canelo and GB wanted the fight against GGG and they made it happen, even if it meant giving up money.

[Derranged]

Show me a boxing promoter you can trust...

[yammy25]

What would it matter what Wilder was getting. AJ was getting 50 million and probably more. Hearn doesn't seem to care that Wilder receive a fair share off the fight but only cared when it was Team Wilder making an offer.

If Hearn and AJ wanted the fight like they say, it would get made. Canelo and GB wanted the fight against GGG and they made it happen, even if it meant giving up money.

Because what you said is contradictory...

Why won't AJ ask Hearn to give him a percentage and take a pay cut to make the fight? He was willing turn down the 50 million offered to take less money and make the fight in the UK. OR all these just excuses to not make the fight?

Why give him a percentage if the flat fee is similar if not the same as what he would make if AJ took the 50 million for a US fight? i just broke it down in my previous post so wilders no better or worse off.. why does the term "flat fee" offend so much if the money is the same at the end?

he was willing to turn down 50 million to fight in the UK.. yeah, he was because he feels the fight should be in his country seeing as he is the A-side and he wants a 90,000 seater stadium fight not an exorbitantly priced Vegas fight filled with once a year fans.

All these excuses not to make the fight? what.. a contract of which the terms have been agreed by wilder, sat on finkels desk waiting for a signature with what is now a confirmed date and a purse that rivals what wilder would potentially get should AJ have taken his 50 million offer?

Hence i asked you.. to please prove to me with figures how wilder makes more in the US on the 50 mil deal for AJ then what he does now.. and if it doesnt matter, why are yoiu asking joshua to ask hearn to give wilder a percentage that makes him no better or worse off?

very simple questions

[allen23]

canelo is a piece of ****

[peplz]

"Manny Pacquiao turned down the 50-50 deal over drug testing. That is the most significant and important thing that happened during the entire process."

I feel you, and that's why he got 40% later on! But he didn't fight for the flat-fee! Wilder looks like a fool because he accepted it, and still didn't get the fight!

Of course he didn't fight for the flat fee. He had already been offered a 50/50 deal. It was pretty much public information that Pacquiao had been getting advances on future earnings from Bob Arum and that he was not managing his money well. Mayweather maybe thought that he could take advantage of that with the flat fee offer. But Deontay Wilder does not have the same kind of leverage that Pacquiao had in that scenario. And I know that you're not arguing that.

[allen23]

Because what you said is contradictory...

Why won't AJ ask Hearn to give him a percentage and take a pay cut to make the fight? He was willing turn down the 50 million offered to take less money and make the fight in the UK. OR all these just excuses to not make the fight?

Why give him a percentage if the flat fee is similar if not the same as what he would make if AJ took the 50 million for a US fight? i just broke it down in my previous post so wilders no better or worse off.. why does the term "flat fee" offend so much if the money is the same at the end?

he was willing to turn down 50 million to fight in the UK.. yeah, he was because he feels the fight should be in his country seeing as he is the A-side and he wants a 90,000 seater stadium fight not an exorbitantly priced Vegas fight filled with once a year fans.

All these excuses not to make the fight? what.. a contract of which the terms have been agreed by wilder, sat on finkels desk waiting for a signature with what is now a confirmed date and a purse that rivals what wilder would potentially get should AJ have taken his 50 million offer?

Hence i asked you.. to please prove to me with figures how wilder makes more in the US on the 50 mil deal for AJ then what he does now.. and if it doesnt matter, why are yoiu asking joshua to ask hearn to give wilder a percentage that makes him no better or worse off?

very simple questions

no offence mate u come up with these figures as if they are gospel. if what youre saying is correct then why would AJ not take the fight considering hes getting the fee he wants. youre talking about these figures as if they are accurate when you clearly cant take into account the variables that go with the biggest heavyweight fight in many years

[yammy25]

no offence mate u come up with these figures as if they are gospel. if what youre saying is correct then why would AJ not take the fight considering hes getting the fee he wants. youre talking about these figures as if they are accurate when you clearly cant take into account the variables that go with the biggest heavyweight fight in many years

I can take in variables though... i have a myriad of fights between two fighters with much more proven american TV records that grossed much less in gate and in PPV buys.

I have margin sticks, barometers.. whatever you want to call them that quite clearly show the PPV market in America is only sustainable for fighters involved when they already have drawing power and a substantial market reach.. prove me otherwise ?? its not my claim the fight makes what is being touted, i claim otherwise...

Why would AJ not take the fight for the fee he wants...

hmm... lack of a terms sheet or agreement.
no contract without verbal public confirmation of acceptance of amount with no details provided to him.

sponsorship conflict.
no knowledge of media obligation, tour or promotional obligation or date / venue ( sound familiar )?

what variables do i take into consideration? Shelly Finkel and Al Haymons fantastic promotional ability? what outright event has finkel promoted in boxing? and i dont mean minor co-promotion?

Haymon isnt a promoter.. so to promote an event would be a direct violation of the Ali act.. otherwise known as the law.

Deontay Wilder suddenly becoming an overnight superstar and the adoring hero of the American casual boxing fan, so as to somehow command that figure of 700,000 buys minimum? when much more well known and actually liked fighters such as Andre Ward , in fights to command p4p #1 status couldnt get even a third of the buys?

maybe Anthony Joshua suddenly becoming massive in the USA, as a brit.. a brit that barely gets 500,000 viewers live on non ppv for his world title fights against much higher calibre opponents than the ones that have faced wilder?

so many variables

the fight makes more in the states.. marginally taking into consideration exchange rate. 50 million GBP in the UK means what.. 62 million USD? so that means in order to make that 20 million USD extra, you have to sell 700,000k, a minimum 500k to break even.

Once someone comes to me with evidence that the US PPV consumer market, of which like anywhere is 70% casual is going to provide anywhere near those figures then i'll concede.

Until then, i'll sit here and state that Canelo and his hispanic market and Mayweather are the only ones commanding those figures.. and even canelo needs the opponent to get him there, even with his massive hispanic fan base.

300k vs Liam Smith ( british ) anyone?

[Fabes88]

We heard these same remarks already in response to why Pacquiao should have accepted the flat fee when we now know he shouldn't have. Well everybody already knew but the Mayweather fans who ate up every word the Mayweathers said.
The funny thing is Wilder was on the verge of agreeing to the flat fee and the bout being in the UK when the alphabet org stepped in and ordered the Povetkin fight. Now they want him to agree to the same terms for a fight in April when they are unlikely to get such advantageous terms again. When traditionally you're not supposed to look past your next opponent, and also Joshua vs Povetkin could be a real stinker.

I definitely agree in regards to overlooking the opponent but I’d like to think aj is focused on Povetkin. Aj is a champion for a reason and I’m certain that’s his focus for now Hearn can focus on what’s happening outside of the ring.

Wilder will take an interim fight its only fair go to take this into consideration going into any potential negotiantions. Let’s see how much he generates/makes in comparison and they’ll go from there.

[allen23]

[QUOTE=yammy25;18950810]I can take in variables though... i have a myriad of fights between two fighters with much more proven american TV records that grossed much less in gate and in PPV buys.

I have margin sticks, barometers.. whatever you want to call them that quite clearly show the PPV market in America is only sustainable for fighters involved when they already have drawing power and a substantial market reach.. prove me otherwise ?? its not my claim the fight makes what is being touted, i claim otherwise...

Why would AJ not take the fight for the fee he wants...

hmm... lack of a terms sheet or agreement.
no contract without verbal public confirmation of acceptance of amount with no details provided to him.

sponsorship conflict.
no knowledge of media obligation, tour or promotional obligation or date / venue ( sound familiar )?

what variables do i take into consideration? Shelly Finkel and Al Haymons fantastic promotional ability? what outright event has finkel promoted in boxing? and i dont mean minor co-promotion?

Haymon isnt a promoter.. so to promote an event would be a direct violation of the Ali act.. otherwise known as the law.

Deontay Wilder suddenly becoming an overnight superstar and the adoring hero of the American casual boxing fan, so as to somehow command that figure of 700,000 buys minimum? when much more well known and actually liked fighters such as Andre Ward , in fights to command p4p #1 status couldnt get even a third of the buys?

maybe Anthony Joshua suddenly becoming massive in the USA, as a brit.. a brit that barely gets 500,000 viewers live on non ppv for his world title fights against much higher calibre opponents than the ones that have faced wilder?

so many variables

the fight makes more in the states.. marginally taking into consideration exchange rate. 50 million GBP in the UK means what.. 62 million USD? so that means in order to make that 20 million USD extra, you have to sell 700,000k, a minimum 500k to break even.

Once someone comes to me with evidence that the US PPV consumer market, of which like anywhere is 70% casual is going to provide anywhere near those figures then i'll concede.

Until then, i'll sit here and state that Canelo and his hispanic market and Mayweather are the only ones commanding those figures.. and even canelo needs the opponent to get him there, even with his massive hispanic fan base.

300k vs Liam Smith ( british ) anyone?[/QUOTE

you probably dont realise it but u come across as the most self righteous prat in england..believe it or not but its just possible you could be wrong, very wrong indeed

[yammy25]

you probably dont realise it but u come across as the most self righteous prat in england..believe it or not but its just possible you could be wrong, very wrong indeed

Could be, and if i'm wrong i'll be the first to say legitimately

"**** me.... never thought it'd do those buys" and suck it up for being incorrect...

Im a boxing fan, i love the sport. Id love to see this 5hit all over the highest buyrates.. one because im not a fan of mayweather as a person ( as a fighter massively ) and two i dont like the fact an MMA Crossover star holds second biggest either .

but when I've got stacks of what would usually be considered empirical data in the history of the American PPV market and enough examples to fall back on then I can argue my point until such an event occurs.

dont mean to come across as pretentious.. but i rely on facts and figures, and they all point to people believing wilder is being short-changed or hearn is a lowballing **** being absolutely deluded.

Sorry if i came across badly, didnt mean to come across as a prick. hopefully when the fight is made we both get to sit and root along and discuss its good points afterwards!!