Is Manny still an elite fighter?

[Mister Wolf]

An elite fighter wouldn't lose to Jeff Horn.

[Spoon23]

We won’t know unless he faces top tier opposition at 147, Spence, Crawford, Thurman.

Pac beats Thurman. Spence and Crawford, at this point in Pac's career. I highly doubt he can handle this 2. And if he did step up against Spence and Crawford, and If ever he does win it against any of this 2. Pac will be battered and bruised to the very end, a total war, and will be nursing that bruise even after the fight.

Not sure I want to see Pac get damaged in the final stages of his career. I just want a fan friendly fight for him as a farewell tour.


Thurman, Broner, Khan, Loma. All winnable fights for Pac.

[Spoon23]

An elite fighter wouldn't lose to Jeff Horn.

But did Horn really win?

NOPE

Horn won a wrestling match.





Horn was allowed to do a wrestling match in Australia. Take that away from him Pac destroys him even more.

Take away the bad refereeing allowing wrestling in a boxing ring. Pac closed that for sure.

Pac Lost in Australia. All we need is to looks at Horns face. That tells you how Pac turned his face into a big target practice. Boxing is not about wrestling and fouling. Everyone knows Horn got a gifted win in Australia.

[GhostofDempsey]

No he is not. But he is still capable of making big fights with today's top tier fighters and remain competitive. Outside of Spence and Crawford, the rest of 140/147 are 50/50 fights. Talent has watered down some in last decade.

[Cheek busting]

Nah, but he's a top 5-8 guy at WW.

[Illmatic94]

the same ppl who say hes elite now were saying he was an ancient fossil vs Horn. and they also act like you're wishing death upon him by suggesting he face Crawford. stay consistent. if he is indeed elite then he should face Crawford or Spence next. no excuses.

[Rip Chudd]

Definitely not elite anymore but still pretty good. That shows you the mark of an all time great, much like Hopkins. They can be past it and still beat the guys considered decent but not elite or with too much skill or ring intelligence. Hopkins went on a decent run beating guys like Pascal and Shumenov and Cloud but neither of those guys were really THAT good. You saw that when Hopkins faced someone with good skills and a decent boxing IQ in Dawson, he lost. Again with Kovalev, he lost.

Pac is an ATG and nowhere near his prime, but still good enough to beat the Matthyssee's of the world and Brandon Rios'. You put him in with a Crawford or someone like that and you'll see just how far he's slipped if you can't tell already.

[ELPacman]

It's a tricky question. I voted no but in hindsight I think he can hang with the less talented crop at 147lbs.

Someone like Garcia lets say who doesn't have really any special talents besides a nasty hook. Mmm, maybe if Thurman came right back without a tune up and fought Pac immediately and just looks rusty as hell, Pac can pull it based on his experience and degree of still able to put a strategy together. Spence and Crawford would put a beat down on Pac. They have the toughness to hang with him and Pac's age will show itself when it matters in those fights.

[strykr619]

Why at 147? That's too much for him he should stay at 140. It's not like he's a big guy.

When is the last time he fought at 140 ? guy walks around 150 so 147 is his class.

[strykr619]

Definitely not elite anymore but still pretty good. That shows you the mark of an all time great, much like Hopkins. They can be past it and still beat the guys considered decent but not elite or with too much skill or ring intelligence. Hopkins went on a decent run beating guys like Pascal and Shumenov and Cloud but neither of those guys were really THAT good. You saw that when Hopkins faced someone with good skills and a decent boxing IQ in Dawson, he lost. Again with Kovalev, he lost.

Pac is an ATG and nowhere near his prime, but still good enough to beat the Matthyssee's of the world and Brandon Rios'. You put him in with a Crawford or someone like that and you'll see just how far he's slipped if you can't tell already.

You know if he did fight Crawford thou and got the split this forum would proceed to call Crawford overrated.