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  • John Locke
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    #51
    Originally posted by icha
    floyd and ward had a good resume already before their break, thurman fights mostly bums... to me, him not fighting makes no difference, he hardly has relevant fights, so not that he will be missed... but thats just my opinion..
    Can you name me a few 29 year olds with better resumes than Thurman?

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    • icha
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      #52
      Originally posted by John Locke
      Can you name me a few 29 year olds with better resumes than Thurman?
      lol, thurman has 2 good fights, porter and garcia, at 29 with only 2 good fights should not be enough to take a break... at that age he should ahow hunger... he used to complain that others wouldnt fight him, and now he does the same... he is not the same fighter anymore imho...

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      • GoldenGloveLove
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        #53
        You might as well ask why nobody vilified Salvador Sanchez for taking a 36 year break in his prime.

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        • KayDub
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          #54
          Originally posted by icha
          lol, thurman has 2 good fights, porter and garcia, at 29 with only 2 good fights should not be enough to take a break... at that age he should ahow hunger... he used to complain that others wouldnt fight him, and now he does the same... he is not the same fighter anymore imho...
          2 good fights? 2 great fights, he's had plenty more good fights against veteran ex-champions and undefeated up and comers.

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          • John Locke
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            #55
            Originally posted by icha
            lol, thurman has 2 good fights, porter and garcia, at 29 with only 2 good fights should not be enough to take a break... at that age he should ahow hunger... he used to complain that others wouldnt fight him, and now he does the same... he is not the same fighter anymore imho...
            He has 2 signature A level wins, against prime elite opponents, that doesn't mean he's only fought 2 good fighters. He's fought plenty of former champs with high pedigree.

            You didn't answer my question tho so I will answer for you. Maybe Canelo and maybe Estrada? You could make an argument for a couple of other names, but those two stick out from fighters Thurman's age and younger.

            Of course he's not the same fighter he was when he was early 20s, once you reach a certain level of pedigree and attraction, you don't think like you used to. That goes for everybody, look at Golovkin. He used to be avoided as hell, look now, people are calling him out and he's the one calling the shots.

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            • KayDub
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              #56
              Originally posted by xhiddenx87
              Didnt count how much, but thurman didnt fight in a long time. So Im ok with taking his belt.
              Why if some decision doesnt benefit your fighter is that bad?
              Man these guys really need to grow up.
              At this point I could understand if the WBA makes Keith a Champion in Recess. It has been too long to have stayed radio silent. 16 months since he last fought? We need at least an announcement about what's going on with Thurman.

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              • BLASTER1
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                #57
                Is this OP for real?
                If he doesnt mind waiting 2+yrs for a world champion to lace em then all good to him.
                Fans get sick of waiting to see their fighter in the ring, esp. Once a year bull crap.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by The Madison
                  whys he not allowed a break.
                  He is allowed to take a break. He just needs to say that. When Floyd took a break, he announced it immediately, so other, active fighters could fight for his belts.

                  Ward was trying to get out of a contract. The WBC stripped Ward after he didn't fight for just six months!!! And that six month hiatus was due to injury!

                  Thurman originally said, he would be out six months, and then he could train again. Say three months, for training camp. that is 9 months. Then 11 or 12 months later Thurman said he was fighting in May. Then he said he wouldn't even fight Vargas, as he deemed Vargas too dangerous. Then he mysteriously said he wasn't fighting in May. Then he said August 4th. Now he says he has no plans or return date in mind.

                  Thurman is allowed to take a break. He just shouldn't be allowed to hold onto any belts during his over 16 month break and he should admit he is taking a break. The constant changing of his story also rubs people the wrong way.

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                  • icha
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by KayDub
                    2 good fights? 2 great fights, he's had plenty more good fights against veteran ex-champions and undefeated up and comers.
                    Originally posted by John Locke
                    He has 2 signature A level wins, against prime elite opponents, that doesn't mean he's only fought 2 good fighters. He's fought plenty of former champs with high pedigree.

                    You didn't answer my question tho so I will answer for you. Maybe Canelo and maybe Estrada? You could make an argument for a couple of other names, but those two stick out from fighters Thurman's age and younger.

                    Of course he's not the same fighter he was when he was early 20s, once you reach a certain level of pedigree and attraction, you don't think like you used to. That goes for everybody, look at Golovkin. He used to be avoided as hell, look now, people are calling him out and he's the one calling the shots.
                    what did garcia and porter achieved at welterweight???
                    and im sorry but thurman does not have atraction, he isnt a superstar yet like the likes of ggg or canelo, he is far from that level... he might as well get stripped and no one would care... it took for ever to guys like him and spence to get a good win and now that they got it the hunger is gone... they need to continue to challenge them selves to reach super star status or else no one is going to care in a couple of years, danny garcia took more risks at an earliear age and still couldnt get to a better place, it takes a lot more than that. .

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                    • Dr.Cool
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by icha
                      what did garcia and porter achieved at welterweight???
                      and im sorry but thurman does not have atraction, he isnt a superstar yet like the likes of ggg or canelo, he is far from that level... he might as well get stripped and no one would care... it took for ever to guys like him and spence to get a good win and now that they got it the hunger is gone... they need to continue to challenge them selves to reach super star status or else no one is going to care in a couple of years, danny garcia took more risks at an earliear age and still couldnt get to a better place, it takes a lot more than that. .
                      Whoa, whoa, cowboy, calm down there. Spence is 28 and had beaten Brook in England. And followed that up with a win against Peterson.

                      g was 34 before his first "good win." Which just so happens to be the only good win on his entire resume.

                      Spence has been calling out Thurman for years, and has also stated his desire to face DSG and Porter. So, you praise the 35 year old g for having one good win and criticize 28 year old Spence for having one good win. Where do you get Spence's hunger is gone?!?

                      Now if Spence had vacated to avoid a guy who had never fought a top 30 opponent before, to instead fight a retired guy from a lower division, I could see it. But that was what g did.

                      Thurman doesn't have that hunger, I'll give you that. To be honest though, I'm not sure he ever had that hunger and drive that most greats do. Still, he does have two good wins. Compared to g's one good win.

                      You also mention that DSG hasn't done much at ww. What has Jacobs done at mw? He fought g, and many thought he won. Other than that, he has beaten the sisters of the poor. And staying on the same thing, what has Canelo done at 160? Wasn't his fight with g, his first fight at 160? You can't criticize Thurman and Spence for their competition and praise g at the same time. In fact, g just vacated a belt so he could fight Vanes. And no one cares. He could vacate the rest and no one would really care. In fact, fans would probably be happy as it would allow the other top mws to fight each other. Same is true with Thurman.

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