Comments Thread For: Wilder Manager Erupts at Hearn, Joshua Over "Scam" Job

[kafkod]

lol you guys stay pressed about this. I wouldn't be surprised if Hearn and Finkel weren't in on this, call it a "fight building" exercise to further maximise profits.

There is no way they are both not in on it, either that or Shelly is a ******. If it is true that Hearn manipulate him then Wilder needs to fire him. You are either senile if you mess up a deal like this or you are a genius who is playing a great build up game with Hearn. Even I can seal this deal for Wilder as the B-side for October/November 2018.

I agree with you guys. The most likely explanation for this farce is collusion between Hearn and Haymon/Finkel to build up interest for a fight in Wembley next April.

Hearn has already booked the stadium and arranged for 20k extra seats to be installed, ffs!

[uppercut510]

first of all, they ALREADY agreed to the flat terms. if you suddenly don't like it anymore, fine. send an official response or counter. continue the discussion until the fight is signed.
Otherwise, don't say out in public that you are, or have been trying to do everything it takes to make the fight happen.

based on your two replies to me, i'd say you are the one who probably needs to pay better attention.

he agreed to the flat fee for the fight to be next, one it came out it wasn't next n was for 04/2019 he rejected. if you were in wilders shoes there is no way you would sign a contract for a future fight. wilder accepted 15mil because his 50mil offer was rejected, hearn wouldn't give him a percentage (which he should have) and he wanted the fight badly, BUT NEXT. then the contract had no date, and he was to be the B side in a rematch even if he won? brother please stop and be fair

[kafkod]

this basically agrees with eddie's story in which he said there were "minor details" in the contract that needed to be worked out.


like the fight being in 2019 . minor.

hearn wanted this fight in 2019 all along. the pundits knew it and have been saying it. it iwll be bigger over there next year., it still won't make him the kind of money he'd make in las vegas.


eddie hearn is a conman, like any other promoter. i have no doubts that finkel was fine with the fight taking place next year, but hearn is the guy who tried to act like wilder was ducking his guy when he wanted the fight in 2019 and in the UK for less money.

again, less money! this is prizefighting! the guy wasn't willing to take his guy to vegas for the most money! hopefully we get this fight in 2019.

They are both in this together, imo.

But Wilder and Finkel are the ones shouting loudest about ducking, as in this latest "eruption" .. despite the fact that if they really wanted the fight next they could have forced Hearn's hand and got it by simply signing the contract he sent them.

[uppercut510]

Other than Floyd Mayweather and Mike Tyson nobody in the world gives a ***** about watching US boxers. The biggest stars in the American market tend to be Mexicans.

Wilder ain't bringing interest from Alabama let alone the whole world. What you smoking?

millions of people watched wilder vs Ortiz. why you guys try to act like wilder is some poor struggling bum asking to borrow money is beyond me. and miss me with this "Alabama" narrative. you guys and your personal opinions based on what hearn has said is pathetic.

[uppercut510]

People are moaning about the specifics in Hearn's contract because he conveniently left out any language guaranteeing the fight would be next, even though the agreed upon terms were that the fight would be next. You agree in principle to the major terms and then you go to contract. Hearn pulled a switcheroo at the end.

Whereas with the 50 million offer, which was a term sheet with plenty of details. That there would be no interim fight. That there would be no rematch clause. Which months the fight had to take place in. Who would pick the location. Etc. You don't send a contract when the term sheet has been rejected.

Wilder made an offer and AJ turned it down. That's why a contract was never sent. AJ made an offer and Wilder accepted. That's why a contract was sent. The contract wasn't in the spirit of what was agreed to, so the contract was rejected. Very simple.

While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there.

Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK.

If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States.

"It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken [Joshua's trainer] that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson.

"If Wilder wins, the rematch can be over there in America. We are going back and forth with talks at the moment and I'm confident we can make that fight. AJ appreciates he might not make as much money by fighting in the U.K. but realises that Wilder should be coming to the U.K. to fight first."

Joshua has grown accustomed to having massive crowds at his events, which recently range from 76-90,000 fans packing a stadium.

[johnnycontrolet]

If AJ were to fight on terrestrial TV in the UK more than 10 Million would watch each fight same as with the Klitschko fights in Germany. Wilder is a loudmouth, totally tattooed and therefore not everybody’s darling and that’s why nobody cares about him and his fights.

[uppercut510]

They are both in this together, imo.

But Wilder and Finkel are the ones shouting loudest about ducking, as in this latest "eruption" .. despite the fact that if they really wanted the fight next they could have forced Hearn's hand and got it by simply signing the contract he sent them.

if the contract was for a fight next then id agree, but locking yourself into a future contract when both fighters have upcoming fights makes no sense. what if aj loses or gets knocked down 5x. what if wilder fights n beats fury next then it changes a lot but hed be locked in to that contract. we understand ur pro aj and hearn but come on man

[Raggamuffin]

Finkel isn’t telling us anything that we didn’t know already. The U.K. fraud wasn’t fighting Wilder next. Why is this a surprise? Fights aren’t hard to make.

The armchairs want their cut in making the big fight and that is always a problem. It’s like Hearn had a plan. Get rich before we risk it all. Get rich before we lose. They’re scared. They always were. ****en cowards.

Americans have seen their greatest fighters lose and come back and redeem themselves. The U.K. has never had a fighter of legendary magnitude who lost it all and regained it all back except Lennox which is why he is universally respected. We have had many. Our fighter loses, ok next fight. Your fighter loses, and you think that their future is over. Frauds..

[that g]

he agreed to the flat fee for the fight to be next, one it came out it wasn't next n was for 04/2019 he rejected. if you were in wilders shoes there is no way you would sign a contract for a future fight. wilder accepted 15mil because his 50mil offer was rejected, hearn wouldn't give him a percentage (which he should have) and he wanted the fight badly, BUT NEXT. then the contract had no date, and he was to be the B side in a rematch even if he won? brother please stop and be fair

but that's not the point of the post, now is it? just so we're clear, and for your understanding, this is the point i am making:

Wilder and his team need to respond to the contract professionally and officially with a signature, a counter-offer, or with proper comments for the april 2019 fight. otherwise, they cannot claim that they are doing all they can to make this fight.

anything else from you is just posturing and fanboyism.

[j0zef]

why would they sign a future fight with fights coming up? why lock into a rate for something in the future? if it was next then id agree he should sign

It's not 'the future'. It's the fight after next. In Wilder's case, it will be after a tuneup. No different than Kovalev-Ward 1, which was signed even though Ward had a tuneup and Kovalev had Chilemba.

The reason you don't sign for a fight in the future is because you think your ability to generate revenue will increase between today and the fight date. For example, if Wilder went out and beat Klitchko or Fury between today and April, his reputation increases. However, neither one of those fights are available, and no other fight will result in an increase in his reputation.

Between today and April, his reputation will either maintain status quo or take a hit. If he loses to Breazeale, his moneymaking ability goes down the crap. If he has some sort of an issue with the law, or PEDs, anything like that, his rep goes down. It's in his best interest to sign for the Joshua fight as soon as possible. The same mostly goes for Joshua. His rep may get a modest increase after another Wembley fight, but in general there are mo risks involved for him. He can lose to Povetkin, he can have a run in with the law, or get busted for PEDs.