Whos doing a better job making stars pbc or top rank

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no he doesn’t have him sign a Contract so the threat of pulling the fighter away is always there. That’s how he rents promoter’s license from TGB and DiBella and has them run the show in Name only as he pulls all the strings behind the scenes. DiBella and TGB have no skin in the game. It’s all on Haymon. If wasn’t for renting out their license, TGB wouldn’t Even be in business.

Of course the threat is there. Same reason PBC doesn't sign a contract with Showtime. But Haymon is only able to get all of these major en****** to do business because he has such a long track record of keeping his word.

Haymon doesn't "rent" Dibella's license anymore than he "rents" Mayweather's license. Dibella promotes the event. Haymon just has the leverage to limit how much Dibella can profit, to maximize how much Haymon's clients can profit.

Dibella's skin in the game is that if he doesn't do well, he won't reach the negotiated cap for what he can earn and he won't earn future business. Just because Haymon has changed the business model doesn't change the fact that Dibella is the promoter.

[killakali]

Of course the threat is there. Same reason PBC doesn't sign a contract with Showtime. But Haymon is only able to get all of these major en****** to do business because he has such a long track record of keeping his word.

Haymon doesn't "rent" Dibella's license anymore than he "rents" Mayweather's license. Dibella promotes the event. Haymon just has the leverage to limit how much Dibella can profit, to maximize how much Haymon's clients can profit.

Dibella's skin in the game is that if he doesn't do well, he won't reach the negotiated cap for what he can earn and he won't earn future business. Just because Haymon has changed the business model doesn't change the fact that Dibella is the promoter.

Dibella doesn't have skin in the game. He is just renting his promoter. He doesn't invest a penny. Neither does TGB. That's why any money used to invest into building a fighter is put up by PBC and not the site coordinators they use. If there was a way around the Ali act they wouldn't even use them as site coordinators.

Your comparison to your plumber was terrible. People don't sign contracts with plumbers to fix their toilet lol. Unless you are a contractor building a subdivision.

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Dibella doesn't have skin in the game. He is just renting his promoter. He doesn't invest a penny. Neither does TGB. That's why any money used to invest into building a fighter is put up by PBC and not the site coordinators they use. If there was a way around the Ali act they wouldn't even use them as site coordinators.

If the Ali act disappeared tomorrow, Haymon would still use Dibella in New York because he brings a lot to the table for the amount he's paid. If Haymon was just looking to rent a license, he could rent mine for a lot less than what he pays Dibella.

Your comparison to your plumber was terrible. People don't sign contracts with plumbers to fix their toilet lol. Unless you are a contractor building a subdivision.

Things change. Top fighters used to all sign exclusive promotional agreements, now a lot of them don't. People used to ride horses, now they drive cars. You claimed the lack of contract means Dibella isn't Wilder's promoter. Which makes no sense because a contract doesn't change who my plumber is. A contract doesn't change who my doctor is. A contract doesn't change who my lawyer is. Things are what they are.

Just because the financial arrangements with a promoter have changed doesn't mean he's not still a promoter.

[killakali]

If the Ali act disappeared tomorrow, Haymon would still use Dibella in New York because he brings a lot to the table for the amount he's paid. If Haymon was just looking to rent a license, he could rent mine for a lot less than what he pays Dibella.




Things change. Top fighters used to all sign exclusive promotional agreements, now a lot of them don't. People used to ride horses, now they drive cars. You claimed the lack of contract means Dibella isn't Wilder's promoter. Which makes no sense because a contract doesn't change who my plumber is. A contract doesn't change who my doctor is. A contract doesn't change who my lawyer is. Things are what they are.

Just because the financial arrangements with a promoter have changed doesn't mean he's not still a promoter.

bad comparison. There never been contracts between patients and doctors.

Since Haymon cut dibellas site fee in half and tried to cut it again tells maybe u aren’t so much cheaper.

TGB wouldn’t even be in business without Haymon. They don’t do any shows on their own. At least DiBella does his club shows but these guys in essence are just site coordinators with zero skin in the game and that’s why Haymon hasn’t built any ppv stars. Wilder probably is the biggest name he has but golden boy built most of the beginning of his career.

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bad comparison. There never been contracts between patients and doctors.

You just don't like the comparison because it shows how silly your criteria is. The doctor being your doctor is what makes him your doctor. Not the contract. Very common to have a contract with your roofer, but him working on your roof is what makes him your roofer, not the contract.

[deanrw]

We can talk about doctors. We can talk about contracts. The real issue here is Marketing and Spin-Doctoring. I heard a rumor that the PBC has a hired one in these parts lingering around. Now I got nothing against the PBC myself, but it makes me wonder why they have to pay someone to show them in a good light? Nasty ole Bob Arum doesn't do it. Slimy Eddie Hearn doesn't do it. Peeps in the know can see through their BS. Why does the PBC require it I wonder? Now these are not questions for anyone. I am just throwing my thoughts out there in the wild for no particular reason.

[LacedUp]

Top rank of course. Not even a question.

[killakali]

You just don't like the comparison because it shows how silly your criteria is. The doctor being your doctor is what makes him your doctor. Not the contract. Very common to have a contract with your roofer, but him working on your roof is what makes him your roofer, not the contract.

Nope my criteria is perfect. Its like a football player. If he uses an agent for a contract it isn't his agent. It is just an agent he used on a one off and that is it. Now if he signs a contract with an agent then it is his promoter.

Just like if Mikey Garcia would have fought Linares as GBP offered a "one off". Using your criteria GBP would be his promoter because he used them. They really aren't his promoter. They would have just promoted one of his fights on a one off situation and as he says "doesn't have a promoter". Ringstar has done his most recent fights but Schaefer isn't his promoter. Mikey says it himself. Even Wilder says he doesn't have a promoter so there you go

[BlakBread904]

Top Rank has gotten Loma into the consciousness of casual boxing fans
PBC has gotten Wilder into the consciousness of casual boxing fans

they about equal in success rate, off the top of me head

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Just like if Mikey Garcia would have fought Linares as GBP offered a "one off". Using your criteria GBP would be his promoter because he used them.

Wilder didn't fight for Lou as a one off. Wilder has fought for Lou over and over and over. Haymon has different arrangements with different fighters and different promoters.