How on earth did pbc fail?

[Santa_]

hahahahahaha

[Jsmooth9876]

Too many networks, too many overpaid fighters in fights nobody wanted to see and then when a good fight finally came along they sold it off to premium Showtime most the time.

Not to mention having fights in ridiculous places like Dirrell vs Degale in Boston lol. They would have been smart to keep guys close to home to raise profits from ticket sales etc... but it is what it is, business moves on and boxing is still the same as always.

[filup79]

Bingo.

Netflix and now Amazon Prime are now mainstream. The landscape is changed and any attempt to recreate the old model is likely doomed to failure.

There's a big difference comparing Amazon Prime and Netflix to streaming boxing. Boxing isn't on everyday. You might get at the max 2 big fights in a month. You can pretty much watch Prime and Amazon daily to catch up on shows and movies. Those are streaming services that you could use daily. I signed up for ESPN+ to watch the Crawford fight and forgot to cancel so I got stuck with it for the month, I have yet to even bother using it since.

[MulaKO]

Grossly overpaying fighters who werent even that good with no personality and matching them with easy competition
And boxing is dead in the states

I feel sorry for the investors

Boxing is dead ?
Wow I must be whacked
Maybe we should ask McGregor if boxing is dead
Or maybe someone should advise Dana White and his investors
Just my dumbazz opinion I guess

[Derranged]

PBC failed because of racism. Them white investors gave Al fake money and sent the real money to Eddie Hearn. Smh.

Jealous crackuh ass chumps just tryna hold down confident BBC bruvas!

Seriously though... Has PBC officially failed? I'm not so sure of that.

[elfag]

From Al Haymon's perspective it didn't fail at all, he's the most powerful man in boxing now. From a fan's perspective, it didn't live up to its hype because they didn't change their matchmaking model to correspond with their higher budget. They could have used that money to put on great show after great show but instead it was essentially business as usual except on a different network, and with fighters now being paid more to keep doing the same thing they always were, it has had an inflationary effect on the sport, making the big fights even more difficult to put together

This. Haymond played the investors hard. PBC wasnt his money but the fighters were. His fighters got a ton of exposure. They were overpaid and PBC lost money but Haymond reaped the rewards of his fighters increased popularity, the management fee from the fighters and his fighter's loyalty from overpaying them. Boxing got hurt as well because fighters got used to being overpaid. And before someone thinks they werent overpaid because they are the guys risking their health, I get that, but when the company is not profitable, well then they were overpaid relative to the money they were generating. The investors should have known better because Haymond has a lot of money, so why didnt he put up more or most of his own?

[KTFOKING]

In terms of totally failing, that will be determined if they are able to get a FOX deal or not. That is to be determined, but if they miss out on that, then yes it will be a fail.

So what went wrong? People say they had fights on too many networks and there wasn't any consistency. But last time I checked, college football is on FOX, CBS, ABC, ESPN, SEC Network, FS1, etc. NBA and NFL are distributed in multiple networks as well, so I don't think that was the issue.

Haymon had a vision of PBC becoming the next UFC. The problem with that is you need damn near every single top fighter in your stable. And when the PBC started in 2015, go check the P4P lists and the big money makers, and tell me how many of those guys PBC had. Very few, and Floyd was never going to fight outside of SHO PPV so you can't even count him.

I always felt Haymon signed way too many guys and had to give them promises that hurt the overall quality of the product. If he signed lesser fighters but put on better quality, then it would have been great. I don't think the PBC was total crap like others, as they put on some damn good exciting cards. Like TR on ESPN lately has been giving us showcase fights that are TERRIBLE, but some of the boxing reporters won't call them out like they did the PBC. But back to the topic, Haymon still has the best stable BY FAR in boxing. It's just too many guys to satisfy and keep busy. This is why my hope is some of the fighters fight on DAZN and ESPN. Both those platforms need Haymon guys to fulfill the amount of cards they have to put on. If not, you will get some terrible terrible main events and mismatches.

If the PBC gets FOX deal, then they will have probably 15-18 more cards per year. That will help keep most of them busier if that is what they want. Lets be real, guys like Thurman and GRJ are content on fighting once a year and that isn't on Haymon. What I don't like is Haymon isn't putting on any top level card on FOX anymore. If he wants to secure a deal, it will make sense to put on a top level guy that will bring in good ratings. I know folks will say he doesn't have any money left, but I don't buy that at all. He made damn near 50-75 million alone on the Mayweather/Pacquiao and Mayweather/McGregor fights. Haymon isn't going to go down this easy, and he has the benefit of the TR on ESPN and DAZN deal and showing FOX how those networks/streaming services and investing in boxing and he has even better fighter than them.

Fair to say it will be interesting in seeing how Haymon/PBC, DAZN and TR on ESPN play out in the next few years.

[MulaKO]

This. Haymond played the investors hard. PBC wasnt his money but the fighters were. His fighters got a ton of exposure. They were overpaid and PBC lost money but Haymond reaped the rewards of his fighters increased popularity, the management fee from the fighters and his fighter's loyalty from overpaying them. Boxing got hurt as well because fighters got used to being overpaid. And before someone thinks they werent overpaid because they are the guys risking their health, I get that, but when the company is not profitable, well then they were overpaid relative to the money they were generating. The investors should have known better because Haymond has a lot of money, so why didnt he put up more or most of his own?

Great fughin point
Everyone knows big Al has got some big money
But the fact he didn’t match or come close to the investors money should of been the elephant in the room
Don’t get me wrong , I tip my hat to him but one thing is sure ; i would take a step back
Anyhow not sure if PBC is alive or dead but that hype vanished quickly and imo one of the reasons is the boring freakin cards he has offered us
Big Al is running to the bank , that’s for sure

[Madison Boxing]

very simple, the first rule of business is to give the consumer an attractive product. noone wanted to tune in for mismatch after mismatch. im a boxing fan and i dont really want to watch most of the slop he serves up on pbc,sport is meant to be competitive. the ****e he serves up is mainly exhibition bouts, lets see how quick so and so can beat some bum. and then if he beats them quicker than their rival did that means he is the best.

[b00g13man]

very simple, the first rule of business is to give the consumer an attractive product. noone wanted to tune in for mismatch after mismatch. im a boxing fan and i dont really want to watch most of the slop he serves up on pbc,sport is meant to be competitive. the ****e he serves up is mainly exhibition bouts, lets see how quick so and so can beat some bum. and then if he beats them quicker than their rival did that means he is the best.

GGG's career in a nutshell.